<html><head><style>body{font-family:Palatino,Arial;font-size:14px}</style></head><body style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Palatino,Arial;font-size:14px;margin:0px;line-height:auto">The "nanny-goat vibrato” was an operatic “affection” which found its greatest popularity in French singers and exemplified by Edith Piaf - not forgetting Bechet’s adoption of the mannerism.</div> <br> <div id="bloop_sign_1543522831339469824" class="bloop_sign"><div><br></div><div><div style="font-family:Palatino;font-size:14px;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;line-height:normal"><span style="font-family:Palatino-Roman">Cheers,</span></div><div style="font-family:Palatino;font-size:14px;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;line-height:normal"><br style="font-family:Palatino-Roman"><span style="font-family:Palatino-Roman">Andrew</span></div></div></div> <br><p class="airmail_on">On November 29, 2018 at 12:13:18 PM, Charles Suhor (<a href="mailto:csuhor@zebra.net">csuhor@zebra.net</a>) wrote:</p> <blockquote type="cite" class="clean_bq"><span><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class=""><div></div><div>
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Thanks for this really enlightening perspective, Bert! I've always
valued improvisation and Louis' trailblazing genius in that area,
but I can see how contemporary trumpeters also had instrumentalists
like Panico as models for a variety of reasons. I'm aware of the
respect that Louis and others, reed as well as brass players, had
for symphonic music, especially in New Orleans where the French
Opera House was a huge cultural force, and the Creole players
valued technical skill.
<div class="">I have a theory--no, more like a vague wonderment,
about whether the "nanny-goat vibrato" that dominated earliest jazz
trumpeters might have been an imitation of operatic male tenors'
fast vibrato. Has anyone ever studied or speculated on that? It
seems to have gone rapidly out of fashion after Louis' fiery,
natural sound and Bix's more "legit" tone, except for a few like
Mutt Carey, and later, first generation players who were brought
back to Preservation Hall.
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<div class="">On Nov 29, 2018, at 3:16 AM, Bert <<a href="mailto:mister_bertje@hotmail.com" class="">mister_bertje@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt" class="">Hello Charles,</div>
<div style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt" class=""><br class=""></div>
<div style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt" class="">Yes, it is quite well possible, since Panico once
outplayed Armstrong in a jam session. (Armstrong was the first to
admit that)</div>
<div style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt" class="">That was without a doubt very early in the
1920's. </div>
<div style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt" class="">If you really listen with an open ear, you can hear that
Panico had a flawless technique. Armstrong didn't possess that yeat
at the time. Esp. listen to the early hot fives, 1925/26 ,
Armstrong is allready very advanced in his ideas, but his technique
is not always up to what he wants to play yet. </div>
<div style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt" class="">And musicians, esp. brass players often are very much
impressed with clean technique. Lead trumpet players: "You, as as
good as your last high note". </div>
<div style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt" class="">It is an obsession, but Armstrong himself mentioned being
very much impressed by Panico, and they were lifelong
friends. </div>
<div style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt" class=""><br class=""></div>
<div style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt" class="">Panico also wrote a book, very early: <span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important" class="">The Novelty Cornetist, which young upcoming musicians just
may have studied. </span></div>
<div style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt" class=""><br class=""></div>
<div style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt" class="">Sure, both Armstrong and Bix took the jazz solo much
further, but that should not necessarily mean that people could not
find inspiration in other values that Panico did posses. Also bear
in mind that Armstrong (and Hawkins) were very fond of opera
records, and Bix went to concerts of symphony ochestra's, and asked
their trumpet player for lessons, since he wanted to improve his
technique. But after one lesson the symphony player refused, with
the explanation: you are so naturally talented, don't change
anything, which Bix could not understand and made him very sad at
the moment. </div>
<div style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt" class=""><br class=""></div>
<div style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt" class="">Influences and inspiration can be way more complex than
what is taught these days. Jazz history classes are so much
symplified, that they sometimes nearly become a joke. Of course ,
there is a general outline, but reality is, that it all was way
more complex than the eye meets at first glance. </div>
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<div style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt" class="">Very kind regards,</div>
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<div class="PlainText"><font size="2" class=""><span style="font-size:11pt" class="">> Bill (Davison) was his own man who
came up listening to Louis (as 'they' all did), Bix and Louis
Panico.<br class="">
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Thus is the first time I've seen Louis Panico named in the same
sentence with Armstrong and Bix. Can he really have been much of an
influence on Wild Bill and his generation? <br class="">
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