<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""> Charles Suhor <<a href="mailto:csuhor@zebra.net" class="">csuhor@zebra.net</a>> wrote [in part]:<br class=""> I'm wondering if you can track down who the trumpet and sax soloists were on Barnet's "Darktown" record. They're wickedly clever. </blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>Dear Charlie,<br class="">Never the easy ones. <big grin><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">One clear recollection is Block playing Charlie Barnet's merciless put-on of traditional jazz on "Darktown Strutters' Ball," also linked below. He preceded it by saying. "Whenever Charlie Barnet is asked to record a Dixieland tune, he sticks out his tongue and says, 'NYAAAAH!" I liked it so much, I bought it! (The flip side was “Caravan,” with a young Maynard Ferguson.) </blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I assume that you had/have the Apollo 1070 10" 78rpm disc.</div><div class="">For which we have a choice of two recording/location dates and three personnels:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">(Trumpet) Al Killian, Art Robey, Ed Stress, Everett McDonald, George Seaberg, Paul Webster; (Trombone) Ed Fromm, Frank Bradley, Porky Cohen, Tommy Pederson(Alto Saxophone , Soprano Saxophone , Tenor Saxophone) Charlie Barnet; (Alto Saxophone) Gene Kinsey, Ray DeGeer; (Tenor Saxophone) Dave Matthews, Kurt Bloom; (Baritone Saxophone) Bob Dawes, Johnny McAfee; (French Horn) Guy Kee; ( Piano) Bill Miller; (Guitar) Dennis Sandole; (Double Bass) Chubby Jackson; (Drums) George Jenkins.<br class="">New York, August 12, 1946.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Al Killian, Jimmy Pupa, Everett McDonald, Guy Chiaveri, Paul Webster (t) Art Robey (t,vcl); Sammy Nestico, Porky Cohen, Ed Fromm, Frank Bradley (tb); Charlie Barnet (sax,ldr) Rae De Geer, Gene Kinsey (as) Kurt Bloom, Dave Matthews (ts) Danny Bank (bar) Johnny McAfee (bar,vcl) Bill Miller (p) Irving Lang (b) George Jenkins (d) Andy Gibson, Billy May, Billy Moore, Ralph Burns (arr).<br class="">New York, August 12, 1946</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Al Killian, Irving Lewis, Everett McDonald, Shorty Rogers, trumpet; Art Robey, trumpet, vocals; Frank Bradley, Burt Johnson, Tommy Pederson, Phil Washburne, trombone; Gus McReynolds, Frank Papalardo, alto sax; Kurt Bloom, Don Raffell, tenor sax; Charlie Barnet, tenor, soprano, alto sax; Bob Dawes, baritone sax; Billy Miller, piano; Barney Kessel, guitar; Ed Mihelich, bass; Dick Shanahan, drums.</div><div class="">Los Angeles, CA, February 3, 1947</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">But sorting out what tunes were recorded on which day seems to have confused the discograpers.has been a problem.</div><div class="">because the 78s came out on different labels.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Charlie Barnet And His Orchestra</div><div class="">*as Charlie Barnet and His Cherokees</div><div class="">+as Charlie Barnet</div><div class="">Charlie Barnet and Band on V-Disc</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">•August 12, 1946</div><div class="">6194 <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>AP3098<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Bunny<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Apollo 1065<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><br class="">6195-204<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>The New Redskin Rhumba<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Cardinal 25001+, National 2500, Cosmo 513<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><br class="">6196 <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>AP3100<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>I Got It Bad And That Ain't Good<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Clef MG C-164 (10"LP)</div><div class="">6197-306<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Cherokee<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Cardinal 25001+, National 25001, Cosmo 513<br class="">6198 <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>AP3102<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>As Long As I Live<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Clef MG C-164 (10" LP)</div><div class="">6199 <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>AP 3101-A2<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Atlantic Jump<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Apollo 1065</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span> <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>AP 3101 (alt)<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Atlantic Jump<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>V-Disc 823<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">•February 3, 1947<br class="">AP3096 745-1<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Blue Lou<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Apollo 1082*, <br class="">AP3097<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Juice Head Blues [Baby on LP]<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Apollo 1082*<br class="">AP 3099-A2<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Caravan<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Apollo 1070, Monogram 116<br class="">AP 3100-B2<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Darktown Strutter's Ball<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Apollo 1070, Monogram 116<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><br class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Power Steering<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Clef MG C-165 (10" LP)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">********</div><div class="">•Charlie Barnet and His Orch. C Garrod</div><div class="">•Those Swinging Years. Barnet - S Dance<br class=""><div class="">•Charlie Barnet and his Orchestra<br class="">Both sides recorded Feb 3, 1947<br class="">BB Jul 26, 1947 Advance Record Releases<br class="">BB Aug 9, 1947 ad, p.40<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">*In 1948, Ferguson moved to the United States,[1] intending to join Stan Kenton's band. But it no longer existed, so Ferguson played with the bands of Boyd Raeburn, Jimmy Dorsey, and Charlie Barnet. The Barnet band included Doc Severinsen, Ray Wetzel, Johnny Howell, and Rolf Ericson. Ferguson was featured on Barnet's recording of "All The Things You Are" by Jerome Kern. The recording enraged Kern's widow and was withdrawn from sale.</div><div class=""><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRCFUXR7rl0" class="">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRCFUXR7rl0</a><br class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">•08 Charlie Barnet - Darktown Strutter's Ball 1947 Shorty Rogers, Al Killian,</div><div class="">Bill Miller, Barney Kessle, Dick Shanahan, Arr. Ralph Burns w Everett</div><div class="">McDonald v</div><div class="">After a typical trumpet intro by Shorty Rogers (or Al Killian or Billy</div><div class="">May??) on trumpet, Charlie Barnet demonstrates why Stan Getz beat him in the</div><div class="">prestigious "Concrete and Florist Worker's Union weekly newsletter" jazz</div><div class="">poll of 1947.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">•I remember this one--somehow I seem to recall the phrase "Swing and Sweat with Charlie Barnet" on it! I once spoke to Mr. Barnet on the telephone way back in 1977 to set up a phone interview with him for a fellow I worked with in radio. He was a real gent! Thanks for sharing this one as it's not often heard. And of course, "You better cut your toenails--you're rippin' the sheets!" </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">•Discogs</div><div class=""><div class="">A<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Atlantic Jump</div>B<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Bunny<br class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> (Trumpet) Al Killian, Art Robey, Ed Stress, Everett McDonald, George Seaberg, Paul Webster; (Trombone) Ed Fromm, Frank Bradley, Porky Cohen, Tommy Pederson(Alto Saxophone , Soprano Saxophone , Tenor Saxophone) Charlie Barnet; (Alto Saxophone) Gene Kinsey, Ray DeGeer; (Tenor Saxophone) Dave Matthews, Kurt Bloom; (Baritone Saxophone) Bob Dawes, Johnny McAfee; (French Horn) Guy Kee; ( Piano) Bill Miller; (Guitar) Dennis Sandole; (Double Bass) Chubby Jackson; (Drums) George Jenkins.<br class=""><div class="">New York, August 12, 1946.</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span></div>•Clef</div><div class="">MGC 114 Charlie Barnet Plays Charlie Barnet<br class="">Al Killian, Irving Lewis, Everett McDonald, Shorty Rogers, trumpet; Art Robey, trumpet, vocals; Frank Bradley, Burt Johnson, Tommy Pederson, Phil Washburne, trombone; Gus McReynolds, Frank Papalardo, alto sax; Kurt Bloom, Don Raffell, tenor sax; Charlie Barnet, tenor, soprano, alto sax; Bob Dawes, baritone sax; Billy Miller, piano; Barney Kessel, guitar; Ed Mihelich, bass; George Jenkins, drums.<br class="">Los Angeles, CA, February 3, 1947<br class="">AP3096 | 745-1<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Blue Lou</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">MGC 164 Charlie Barnet - Dance Session #2<br class="">Everett McDonald, trumpet; Porky Cohen, trombone; Guy Kee, French horn; Ray De Geer, Gene Kinsey, alto sax; Kurt Bloom, Dave Matthews, tenor sax; Charlie Barnet, tenor, soprano, alto sax; Bob Dawes, baritone sax; Bill Miller, piano; Dennis Sandole, guitar; Chubby Jackson, bass; George Jenkins, drums; Martha Raye, vocals.<br class="">NYC, August 5, 1946<br class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">AP3091<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Sweet Lorraine<br class="">AP3092<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Nobody Knows The Trouble I've Seen<br class="">AP3093<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>I Cover The Waterfront<br class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">add Al Killian, Art Robey, George Seaburg, Ed Stress, Paul Webster, trumpet; Frank Bradley, Ed Fromm, Tommy Pederson, trombone; John McAfee, baritone sax.<br class="">NYC, August 12, 1946<br class="">6196<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>I Got It Bad And That Ain't Good<br class="">6198<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>As Long As I Live<br class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Al Killian, Irving Lewis, Everett McDonald, Shorty Rogers, trumpet; Art Robey, trumpet, vocals; Frank Bradley, Burt Johnson, Tommy Pederson, Phil Washburne, trombone; Gus McReynolds, Frank Papalardo, alto sax; Kurt Bloom, Don Raffell, tenor sax; Charlie Barnet, tenor, soprano, alto sax; Bob Dawes, baritone sax; Billy Miller, piano; Barney Kessel, guitar; Ed Mihelich, bass; George Jenkins, drums.<br class="">Los Angeles, CA, February 3, 1947<br class="">AP3097<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Juice Head Baby</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">• Ajaz</div><div class=""><img apple-inline="yes" id="132E629F-0840-4E34-8A68-5C4103A31FDF" height="111" width="640" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:3BDB6864-170D-4B2D-A82E-0E467C7C4740@gateway" class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">•Charlie Barnet and his orchestra (Al Killian, Everett McDonald, Irving Lewis, Shorty Rogers, Art Robey, trumpets ; Frank Bradley, Burt Johnson, Tommy Pederson, Phil Washburne, trombones ; Charlie Barnet, saxes ; Guy "Gus" McReynolds, Frank Papalardo, alto sax ; Kurt Bloom, Don Raffael, tenor sax ; Bob Dawes, baritone sax ; Bill Miller, piano ; Barney Kessel, guitar ; Ed Mihelich, bass ; Dick Shanahan, drums).</div>Event notes:<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Recording and personnel information from 60 years of recorded jazz / Bruyninckx.<br class="">Recorded, Los Angeles 1947 February 3.<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">•Charlie Barnet<br class="">Al Killian, Jimmy Pupa, Everett McDonald, Guy Chiaveri, Paul Webster (tp) Art Robey (tp,vcl) Sammy Nestico, Porky Cohen, Ed Fromm, Frank Bradley (tb) Charlie Barnet (sax,ldr) Rae De Geer, Gene Kinsey (as) Kurt Bloom, Dave Matthews (ts) Danny Bank (bar) Johnny McAfee (bar,vcl) Bill Miller (p) Irving Lang (b) George Jenkins (d) Fran Warren (vcl) Andy Gibson, Billy May, Billy Moore (arr) </div><div class="">Ralph Burns (arr) added <br class="">New York, August 12, 1946<br class="">NSC 204 The new redskin rhumba (head arr) Cardinal 25001, National 25001, Ajaz 201<br class="">3099 Caravan (rb arr) Apollo 1070, Monogram (Can)116, Ajaz 209, Swing<br class=""> Era LP1019<br class="">NSC 206 Cherokee (bma arr) Cardinal 25001, National 25001, Ajaz 209<br class="">3098 Bunny (ag arr) Apollo 1065, Clef MGC638, Verve MGV2027,<br class=""> (E)2317060, Ajaz 201, Lonehill Jazz (Sp)LHJ10267<br class=""> [CD]<br class="">3100 At the darktown strutters ball (head arr) Apollo 1070, Beaver (Can)1008, Monogram (Can)116,<br class=""> Bandstand 7106, Ajaz 209, Stack of 78s Stack33<br class=""> [CD]<br class="">3101 Atlantic jump [Atlantic hop] (ag arr) Apollo 1065, Clef MGC638, Verve MGV2027,<br class=""> (E)2317060, Ajaz 209, Lonehill Jazz (Sp)LHJ10267<br class=""> [CD]<br class="">Note: Mx. 3101 as "Atlantic Hop" on Clef MGC638 and Verve MGV2027.<br class="">Apollo 1070 "Song Hits Magazine 'Record of the Month'".<br class="">Clef MGC638 titled "One Night Stand".<br class="">Verve MGV2027 titled "Dancing Party".<br class="">Lonehill Jazz (Sp)LHJ10267 [CD] titled "Charlie Barnet Big Band 1967".<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">•<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX_RtUOo6cM" class="">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX_RtUOo6cM</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class="">Thanks for the Chubby Jackson sendup, too. They pulled it off in amusing ways (especially Teddy Wilson) but didn't raise parody to the level of outright insult, as Barnet did. Charlie Shavers don't really seem to be trying very hard. For the most part he was playing a fiery swing stay trumpet, with no nanny-goat vibrato, corny cliches, etc.</blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""> <br class="">Re Spike Jones, I knew he hired good jazz musicians but never hear them attempting jazz without corny razzmatazz. Do you have links to any of his jazz stuff? <br class=""></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""></div></div></body></html>