<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Yes, Bill, I had the Apollo 78rpm. I guess we'll never know who, specifically, did the damage with those trumpet and sax solos. The satire inherently blocked out any ID according to styles. Thanks for eh TMI—I read ia all, though I didn't fully digest it.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Charlie</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 9, 2018, at 3:48 PM, Bill Haesler <<a href="mailto:bhaesler@bigpond.net.au" class="">bhaesler@bigpond.net.au</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Charles Suhor <<a href="mailto:csuhor@zebra.net" class="">csuhor@zebra.net</a>> wrote [in part]:<br class=""> I'm wondering if you can track down who the trumpet and sax soloists were on Barnet's "Darktown" record. They're wickedly clever. <br class=""></blockquote><br class="">Dear Charlie,<br class="">Never the easy ones. <big grin><br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">One clear recollection is Block playing Charlie Barnet's merciless put-on of traditional jazz on "Darktown Strutters' Ball," also linked below. He preceded it by saying. "Whenever Charlie Barnet is asked to record a Dixieland tune, he sticks out his tongue and says, 'NYAAAAH!" I liked it so much, I bought it! (The flip side was “Caravan,” with a young Maynard Ferguson.) <br class=""></blockquote><br class="">I therefore assume that you had/have the Apollo 1070 10" 78rpm disc.<br class="">For which we now have a choice of two recording/location dates and three personnels:<br class=""><br class="">Sorting out what tunes were recorded on which day also seems to have resulted in discographal misinformation over the years as the 78s came out on various labels. So I've reconstructed the following discography based on information from the 78s and early LPs.<div class=""><br class=""><b class="">Charlie Barnet And His Orchestra</b><br class="">*as <b class="">Charlie Barnet and His Cherokees</b><br class="">+as <b class="">Charlie Barnet</b><br class=""><b class="">Charlie Barnet and Band</b> on V-Disc<br class=""><br class="">(Trumpet) Al Killian, Art Robey, Ed Stress, Everett McDonald, George Seaberg, Paul Webster; (Trombone) Ed Fromm, Frank Bradley, Porky Cohen, Tommy Pederson; (Alto Saxophone, Soprano Saxophone, Tenor Saxophone) Charlie Barnet; (Alto Saxophone) Gene Kinsey, Ray DeGeer; (Tenor Saxophone) Dave Matthews, Kurt Bloom; (Baritone Saxophone) Bob Dawes, Johnny McAfee; (French Horn) Guy Kee; (Piano) Bill Miller; (Guitar) Dennis Sandole; (Double Bass) Chubby Jackson; (Drums) George Jenkins.<br class="">New York, August 12, 1946.<br class=""> <b class="">or</b><br class="">Al Killian, Jimmy Pupa, Everett McDonald, Guy Chiaveri, Paul Webster (t) Art Robey (t,vcl); Sammy Nestico, Porky Cohen, Ed Fromm, Frank Bradley (tb); Charlie Barnet (sax,ldr) Rae De Geer, Gene Kinsey (as) Kurt Bloom, Dave Matthews (ts) Danny Bank (bar) Johnny McAfee (bar,vcl) Bill Miller (p) Irving Lang (b) George Jenkins (d) ; Andy Gibson, Billy May, Billy Moore, Ralph Burns (arr). Vocal on 6196 & 6198 by Margie Reed [Martha Raye].<br class="">New York, NYC, August 12, 1946. </div><div class="">[This one seems to be the generally accepted personnel.]<br class=""><br class="">6194 <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>AP3098-A3<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Bunny<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Apollo 1065<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><br class="">6195-204<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>The New Redskin Rhumba<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Cardinal 25001+, National 2500, Cosmo 513<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><br class="">6196 <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>AP3100<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>I Got It Bad And That Ain't Good<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Clef MG C-164 (10"LP)<br class="">6197-306<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Cherokee<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Cardinal 25001+, National 25001, Cosmo 513<br class="">6198 <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>AP3102<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>As Long As I Live<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Clef MG C-164 (10" LP)<br class="">6199 <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>AP 3101-A2<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Atlantic Jump<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Apollo 1065<br class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span> <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>AP 3101 (alt)<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Atlantic Jump<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>V-Disc 823<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><br class=""><br class="">Al Killian, Irving Lewis, Everett McDonald, Shorty Rogers, trumpet; Art Robey, trumpet, vocals; Frank Bradley, Burt Johnson, Tommy Pederson, Phil Washburne, trombone; Gus McReynolds, Frank Papalardo, alto sax; Kurt Bloom, Don Raffell, tenor sax; Charlie Barnet, tenor, soprano, alto sax; Bob Dawes, baritone sax; Billy Miller, piano; Barney Kessel, guitar; Ed Mihelich, bass; Dick Shanahan, drums.<br class="">Los Angeles, CA, February 3, 1947</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>AP3095<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Power Steering<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Clef MG C-165 (10" LP)</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>AP3096 745-1<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Blue Lou<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Apollo 1082*, <br class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>AP3097<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Juice Head Blues [Baby on LP]<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Apollo 1082*<br class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>AP 3099-A2<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Caravan<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Apollo 1070, Monogram 116<br class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>AP 3100-B2<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Darktown Strutter's Ball<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Apollo 1070, Monogram 116<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><br class=""><br class="">Apollo Records was a Harlem, New York-based record company with a large catalogue of rhythm & blues, gospel, jazz and popular music but did not, so far as I can find, have its own live recording facilities and used material recorded by others.<div class="">So the sources for the above sessions, later to be used for Clef, Mercury and Verve LPs is unknown. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""> (The flip side was “Caravan,” with a young Maynard Ferguson.) </blockquote><br class=""></div><div class="">It certainly would be logical to assume so back then. However, a check of Ferguson's biography indicates the he did not get to the US from Canada until 1948 and did not make his first recording with Charlie Barnet until 24 April 1949.</div><div class="">["In 1948, Ferguson moved to the United States, intending to join Stan Kenton's band. But it no longer existed, so Ferguson played with the bands of Boyd Raeburn, Jimmy Dorsey, and Charlie Barnet. The Barnet band included Doc Severinsen, Ray Wetzel, Johnny Howell, and Rolf Ericson."]</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">***</div><div class="">A trivia diversion: Maynard Ferguson was featured on Charlie Barnet's Capitol C 843 recording of "All The Things You Are" (16 August 1949) by Jerome Kern that so enraged Kern's widow that it was withdrawn from sale. </div><div class="">Have a listen at <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRCFUXR7rl0" class="">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRCFUXR7rl0</a> to hear why she objected.</div><div class="">***</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Based on the above record dates and personnels the high-note trumpet player on "Caravan" may be Shorty Rogers and the other trumpet work by Art Robey.</div><div class=""> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dG744P77VnI" class="">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dG744P77VnI</a> </div><div class="">On "Darktown Strutter's Ball" it could be the fine trumpeter Al Killian or Shorty Rogers, or both and/or Art Robey. </div><div class="">Based on his biography, Shorty Rogers does not seem to have worked with the Barnet band and probably added for the Hollywood record session.</div><div class=""> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX_RtUOo6cM" class="">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX_RtUOo6cM</a></div><div class="">The "You better cut your toenails - you're rippin' the sheets!" interjection on "Darktown Strutter's Ball" has been named elsewhere as trumpet player Everett McDonald. </div><div class="">So far as the the tenor sax solos on both tunes, I have always assumed it to be Charlie Barnet, and on current listening, see no reason to revise my opinion.</div><div class="">But, will leave that one to you and our more knowledgable Listmates.</div><div class="">The Apollo record labels do not include any helpful recording or personnel information, other than the matrix numbers.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Thanks for the Chubby Jackson sendup, too. They pulled it off in amusing ways (especially Teddy Wilson) but didn't raise parody to the level of outright insult, as Barnet did. Charlie Shavers don't really seem to be trying very hard. For the most part he was playing a fiery swing stay trumpet, with no nanny-goat vibrato, corny cliches, etc.</blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>I believe that deep down the wonderful Charlie Shavers was a purist and not given to hokum playing.<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class="">Re Spike Jones, I knew he hired good jazz musicians but never hear them attempting jazz without corny razzmatazz. Do you have links to any of his jazz stuff? </blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>Apart from his somewhat boring 'big band' all Spike Jones; jazz recordings included some corn.<br class="">To hear what I was getting at start with these five:</div></div></div><div class="">"The Charleston" <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qb1uqPTMFnY" class="">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qb1uqPTMFnY</a></div><div class="">"Black Bottom" <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sewdSi8s0Lc" class="">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sewdSi8s0Lc</a></div><div class="">"Varsity Rag"<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPZXDb0Tkbc" class="">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPZXDb0Tkbc</a></div><div class="">"Doin' The Racoon"<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgCC43EDe0k" class="">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgCC43EDe0k</a></div><div class="">"I Wonder Where My Baby Is Tonight"<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DXRAqbvTjI" class="">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DXRAqbvTjI</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><b class="">Spike Jones and His City Slickers.</b></div><div class="">George Rock, t; King Jackson, Arthur Most, tb; Arthur 'Doc' Rando, reeds; Paul Leu, p; Frddy Morgan, bj; Roger Donley, tu; John Cyr, d; Lou Singer, xyl; Spike Jones, perc effects; Del Porter, Eddie Maxwell, vocals. </div><div class="">New York, 17 December 1949.</div><div class="">Happy listening.</div><div class="">Cheers,</div><div class="">Bill</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></body></html>