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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jim said</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>>I can only imagine in making a statement like
this that you really haven't listened to much Sinatra. I always accepted
that Sinatra was a great singer but only in recent years did I tune into what a
true master he really is. Neither Nelson Riddle nor anyone else turned
Sinatra into a great jazz >performer. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>A true master he really was, but can you guide me
to an early recording , say in the James period where he is singing jazz.
I'm willing to be persuaded. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>With Bing jazz was there right at the start, and it
was like a breath of fresh air when you compare him to the dreadful Seger Ellis
or Irving Kaufman. The earliest recording I've heard of Frank singing Jazz was I
think from the mid 40s with a small group of jazzers. I don't have the disc.
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Singing jazz does not have to involve scat,
although it can. Sinatra in '50s was a great jazz performer, but to my ears he
was a late developer.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>cheers<BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV>John Petters<BR><A
href="http://www.traditional-jazz.com">www.traditional-jazz.com</A><BR>Amateur
Radio Station G3YPZ</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, February 04, 2003 5:58
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Dixielandjazz]
Vocalists</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT size=3>In a message dated
2/4/03 11:44:29 AM Central Standard Time, <A
href="mailto:jpettjazz@btinternet.com">jpettjazz@btinternet.com</A>
writes:<BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"
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TYPE="CITE">Sinatra in my view was not the natural jazzer that Bing was. His
early<BR>recordings with James and Dorsey are just examples of good ballad
crooning.<BR>It took Nelson Riddle to turn him into a great jazz performer,
which he was.<BR>For me though, there is more depth in Nat King Cole as well
as a great<BR>natural jazz time.<BR></FONT><FONT lang=0
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<BR> J</FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"
face=Arial color=#000000 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">ohn Petters</FONT><FONT
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TYPE="CITE"><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Sinatra's complete mastery of the song, his
phrasing and timing are absolutely natural and peerless. You can't teach
genius like that. Sinatra was not a 'scat' singer'...just a great singer
of classic songs.<BR><BR>IMHO Jim Beebe<BR></FONT><FONT lang=0
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