[Dixielandjazz] High Sierra hanging it up

Tue Mar 5 12:39:06 EST 2019

It’s unwelcome, but not news as it was announced last fall. 

https://syncopatedtimes.com/high-sierra-jazz-band-going-out-on-a-high-note-final-shows-scheduled/

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>   1. Re: 'New' tunes entering  Public Domain? (Rocky Ball)
>   2. Re: 'New' tunes entering  Public Domain? (alevy at alevy.com)
>   3. Re: Mixing One Tune With Another (Maurice Walker)
>   4. Final High Sierra Concert? (domitype)
>   5. Re: Final High Sierra Concert? (Tony Davis)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2019 14:58:46 -0500
> From: Rocky Ball <superbanjo at mindspring.com>
> To: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
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> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] 'New' tunes entering  Public Domain?
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> I'm curious about the idea of 'new' Public Domain songs, or compositions that have 'recently' moved into the Public Domain. When I worked for a number of amusement parks in the mid-70s we were tasked with removing any tunes from our playlist that were under the umbrella of ASCAP. In 1974 and 1975 there was a court fight between ASCAP and Disney (as well as Six Flags and others) in which ASCAP had demanded a raise in performance rights fees for ALL ASCAP music being performed or played in the parks (including the background music that was being piped into the areas of the park over the speaker system). At the time Disney decided to fight the rate increase and the resulting lawsuit meant that NO ASCAP music could be performed in the park until the issue was settled. All of the other parks took the position of "wait and see" as how Disney would settle and so the other parks also banned ASCAP music in any form until the lawsuit was settled.
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> My supervisors told us that absolutely NO playing of any ASCAP song would be permitted and we had to purge our set lists of those songs. Only BMI, SESAC and Public Domain tunes were allowed. That was a problem for a Dixieland Band because most of the licensed music from the 20s, 30s and early 40s was ASCAP. BMI came into existence because of an ASCAP recording ban in the 40s (hence the Glenn Miller Band turning to songs like Little Brown Jug, American Patrol, and others in the interim) so MOST of the BMI music was beyond the scope of the Dixieland genre. SESAC was mostly gospel and religious music at the time and there were few nuggets in their stable of composition... so we began to research Public Domain.
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> Here's the relevant connection... in 1974 and 1975 compositions entering Public Domain included anything before 1923! Because the Copyright protections and the renewals of Copyright protections were somewhat arcane and complicated there was a steady march annually of compositions (and all Intellectual and Creative property) entering Public Domain... and in 1974-1975 the cutoff year was 1923. Since then Congress has amended Copyright several times to now include the death + 50 years (maybe 75 years now) of the last surviving composer of the tune (or creator of the property). This is often referred to as the Disney Clause because this giant extension in Copyright seems to have been inspired by (if not directly attributed to) the fact that Mickey Mouse was about to become Public Domain!
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> That door has been temporarily shut thanks to the Congress. If the cutoff date in 1974/1975 was 1923 (and the most recent post confirms that "My plan is to publish an update either in 6 months time which will include the 1923 tunes, or publish in 12 month's time and include the 1923 and 1924 tunes. - Kevin Yeates - Vancouver, Canada") then what tunes have recently fallen into Public Domain. My research has suggested that NO Intellectual property will leave Copyright protection for at least another 50-75 years!
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> Just curious...
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> ~Rocky Ball - Ruby Reds Band - Atlanta, GA
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> Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2019 15:47:04 -0600
> From: <alevy at alevy.com>
> To: "Rocky Ball" <superbanjo at mindspring.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] 'New' tunes entering  Public Domain?
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> As to PD songs - I was on the copyright committee
> for ASMA (The American Society Of Music Arrangers)
> back in the 1950's. We were petitioning congress to
> consider music arrangers as co-composers.
> It never happened.
> 
> I am currently working on a web page of 100  (pd) songs 
> copyrighted by Hal Leonard in 1991.
> 
> I own much of the original sheet music with the original publishers
> name and date. To quote Jolson - "If you don't hear about me then 
> you'll know I'm in jail." - Toot, Toot Tootsie
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> If you want titles check out https://alevy,com/midi/nostal.html
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> Lots of early Gershwin, Irving Berlin, Gus Kahn, George M. Cohan
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> Maybe I am "losing it" but I can't stop singing "Mandy, there';s a
> minister handy" 
> 
> The company included a few really old folk songs I guess to fill
> the book.  It probably totals about two to three hours of music.
> Almost all the songs have the verse included. The old, original
> piano arrangements are "fun". The new "contrived" arrangements 
> are for the most part dull. I made up one or two just because I couldn't
> take what was written in the book. I also made corrections when I found
> lazy or mistaken editing.
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> A.L.
> Please visit me at https://alevy.com
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> Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2019 22:35:18 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Maurice Walker <mwalker637 at aol.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Mixing One Tune With Another
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>>> This thread was up a week or two back.? The Maceo Pinkard version of Sugar
> and Sweet Lorraine are both in F.? I once played a gig where the cornet
> player started playing one tune and wound up playing the other.? I once
> played with a jazz combo in December on a steam train in New Jersey.? We
> tried to play Rudolf the Red Nosed Reindeer and kept playing the bridge from
> Frosty the Snowman.
> Dave Stoddard
> <<<?Another combination with grave risk:? High Society and South Rampart Street Parade.?Under no circumstances play them back to back. ?Maurie Walker
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> Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2019 21:18:05 -0800
> From: domitype <domitype at gmail.com>
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> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Final High Sierra Concert?
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> This video is titled that way, from the recent Monterey festival. Don?t have any other details, but if this really is the end of High Sierra I want to say how much I have enjoyed their music since way back when, and the times I have played with several of the musicians in the band have also been great! https://youtu.be/Jjni8LeuFHM
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> David Richoux
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> Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2019 16:21:49 +0000
> From: Tony Davis <tony at tony-davis.co.uk>
> To: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
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> Thank you for posting this link, David, though the news is unwelcome, to 
> say the least.? The High Sierra has been a favourite band of mine since 
> I first saw them at San Diego in (I think) 2002.? In 2011, (having in 
> the meantime met Pieter Meijers on a Jazzdagen cruise) I was invited to 
> sit in on one of their sets at the 2011 Sun Valley festival - an honour 
> and a great experience. They will be much missed.
> 
> Tony Davis
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>> On 05/03/2019 05:18, domitype wrote:
>> This video is titled that way, from the recent Monterey festival. 
>> Don?t have any other details, but if this really is the end of High 
>> Sierra I want to say how much I have enjoyed their music since way 
>> back when, and the times I have played with several of the musicians 
>> in the band have also been great! https://youtu.be/Jjni8LeuFHM
>> 
>> David Richoux
>> 
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