[Dixielandjazz] Influence Adrian Rollini on Joe Rushton

[Marek Boym]

Bert is our Dutch listmate Bert Brandsma, a reeds player, and a very good
one.  I particularly like his bass sax playing.
Cheers

On 13 April 2017 at 19:28, Robert Ringwald <rsr at ringwald.com> wrote:

> Very nice post. I’d certainly like to see more discussion of this type
> here on DJML.
>
> I am curious, who is Bert?
>
> -Bob Ringwald
> DJML Moderator
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> *From:* Bert
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 13, 2017 1:02 AM
> *To:* Bob Ringwald
> *Cc:* Dixieland Jazz Mailing List
> *Subject:* Re: [Dixielandjazz] Influence Adrian Rollini on Joe Rushton
>
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>
> Hello Charles,
>
> You're right, Rushton hasn’t been given his due.
> I just put up this story, since to my opinion influences are way more
> complicated and wider than usually mentioned.
> And I do have the feeling, that many jazz historians (Shuller f.i.) were
> afraid to mention any influence from white players on black musicians,
> whereas the other way around is mentioned most of the time.
> Some shy report exists about Bix on Rex Stewart, Trumbauer on Lester Young
> and Benny Carter. And sometimes Goodman gets some credit,  listen how far
> he actually was at age 17, and how Jimmie Hamilton on his first recordings
> with Ellington sounds so close to Goodman's example. Goodman himself
> listened to all good players around, black AND white.
> And of course the huge success of the ODJB, 100 years ago now, opened up
> business oportunities for all kinds of jazz musicians, regardless of
> background.
>
> But quite clear lines like Django Reinhardt on American guitar players
> (Who himself got his dose of Eddie Lang) are not too often mentioned.
> And also Steve Brown and his effect on bass playing in 1926. Well it is
> mentioned sometimes, but to my feeling is largely overlooked.
>
> Where there is a huge difference in white and black musicians, is their
> business opportunities. Whites likely could demand higher wages, but on the
> other hand blacks were asked for recordings of slow blues. Whites were
> usually not invited, since these records were designed for Race Record
> series.
> When in New York blues singers were in the studio, it were Henderson,
> Redman, or Hawkins backing them, not members of the California Ramblers.
> Even if Ed Kirkeby was leading the sessions, and actually had the C.R. in
> his studio allready. Henderson and Hawkins seldom are mentioned as being
> blues specialists, but did all these sessions since Hendesron started for
> Black Swan, partly owned by W.C. Handy. Father of the blues, who actually
> didn't really compose many of these, but copyrighted them, a very common
> business practise also done by LaRocca, Ellington, Basie, Joe Garland,
> Goodman and many many others.
> So from this only it is understandable why Armstrong developped so much
> into a great blues player, whereas Bix didn't.
> later, esp. when the depression struck, Ellington could find quite steady
> employment in the Cotton Club, Henderson in similar venues like the
> Roseland. I get the impression these were the years when white players were
> forced to go more commercial, and drop a lot of jazz playing, just to find
> work. Simply because otherwise the were out of employment.
> On the other hand, Henderson seems to have had a huge live reputation for
> playing Waltzes, but never recorded one single waltz in his entire career.
>
> Somehow, a simple clear understandable line, N.O. - Chicago - N.Y. without
> complexing factors seems to be preferred in history books.
>
> Isn't jazz in general, just one melting pot of influences stemming from
> all kind of different corners?
>
> Have a nice day,
>
> Bert
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Charles Suhor <csuhor at zebra.net>
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 13, 2017 7:12 AM
> *To:* Bert
> *Cc:* Dixieland Jazz Mailing List
> *Subject:* Re: [Dixielandjazz] Influence Adrian Rollini on Joe Rushton
>
> Yes, Bert, I agree that Rollini was a great, as you showed so well. But
> he’s been widely acknowledged. Rushton isn’t pivotal, but he hasn’t been
> given his due. Maybe I just happen to like his playing more than others, in
> a quirky judgment call.
>
> Charlie
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