[Dixielandjazz] Tram - Clifford Brown

[Marek Boym]

On 28 April 2015 at 01:12, Paul Kurtz Jr <phktrumpet at gmail.com> wrote:

> Marek, I love you to death and am happy for you to have your opinions
> full-blown. And, I’m happy for you to have whatever blinkers on you want.
>
> The simple problem is that when you tell Steve not to preach to you, you
> turn right around and preach to others about how bad certain music is, how
> it’s not jazz, etc.


I don't preach anything, Paul.  I do not believe that "not jazz" means
"bad."  It's not the same thing.  I do not begtudge Steve, or anybody else,
thier Mileses, Hubbards or Cliffords.  Whether it's jazz is another
question.  I am convinced it is not.  Perhaps I am going back to the
"mouldy figs" vx. "modernists," but when I came to jazz i had not heard
about it.


>
> etc. You simply can’t have it both ways. If you can’t and don’t want to
> modify your strong stance which is your right, then you certainly have to
> expect the same strong opinions in return.
>

I don't mind strong opinions, but I certainly mind being told of the
"pleasure" of which I deprive myself.  I have had that dubious "pleasure."

>
> Clifford Brown, John Coltrane, and others are defined as jazz musicians by
> a ton of musicologists.


I remember days when musicologists wrote that the boogie woogie masters
played better on beat-up pianos than of concert grands/


> I’ve never seen them called rock, country,


Where I grew up, and in Israel, rock and roll was considered jazz, just
like any western rhythmif music.  I played my new acquisition - Basie's
"Blue and Sentimental" to a friend who said "let's hear some jazz," and he
complained "I was hoping to hear some rock and roll and he plays
senitmental for me!"

bluegrass, or classical musicians. I also haven’t seen them called pop
> musicians. When Bob asked you what Clifford Brown is if he’s not a jazz
> musician, you’ve had no answer to date. I therefore ask that question
> again, what is he if not a jazz musician?



I haven't the foggiest.  As far as I can tell, jazz musician he is not.



> What category do you fit him in? And may I say that non-music isn’t good
> enough for you to be pinned down to. :-) :-)
>

Non-music?  I have never said that of Brown, although I did of some other
highly held players.

Cheers

> Paul Kurtz Jacksonville, FL
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