[Dixielandjazz] Tram [WARNING: SPF validation unavailable]

[Marek Boym]

Yes.  I still prefer Coleman Hawkins to Lester Young.  As far as I am
concerned, Brown is beyond the scope - I do not consider Brown a jazz
musician.  Moreover, they all came later.  Young was influenced  by
Trumbauer, and could take it from there on.  Tram was there first, and
influence all early saxophone players.  Young named him explicitely, as did
Benny Carter.  As to Peker - I am not sure.  But, to the best of my memory,
he was even later than Young.
You might have mentioned some quite inventive trumpeteres, too (sorry, you
mentioned one), but they all came AFTER Louis and Bix.
Cheers

On 27 April 2015 at 12:57, Steve Voce <stevevoce at virginmedia.com> wrote:

> I don't suppose you ever heard of Lester Young, Charlie Parker and
> Clifford Brown?
>
> Steve Voce
>
> On 27/04/2015 10:32, Marek Boym wrote:
>
>> The only musician I can think of who was "as fertile or adventurous an
>> improvisor as Bix" was Louis.  None other came within that bracket.  Any
>> comparisons should be made with others, and that is another story
>> altogether.
>> Cheers
>>
>> On 27 April 2015 at 02:44, Shaw, Tim <Tim.Shaw at mh.org.au> wrote:
>>
>>  - and a band composed entirely of "leading edge" creators would probably
>>> be too anarchic to organize  (think of eg when Ellington hired Mingus ..
>>> became one too many)
>>>
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>>> Behalf Of Charles Suhor
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>>> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Tram [WARNING: SPF validation unavailable]
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>>> On Apr 26, 2015, at 4:52 PM, ROBERT R. CALDER wrote:
>>>
>>>  To complain that Tram showed little evidence of that kind of invention
>>>>
>>> is to forget the limits of opportunity, just as a lot of musicians who
>>> played solos that were long and not too long, tended to simplify in some
>>> aspects earlier conceptions of the instruments.
>>> To state that Tram wasn't as fertile or adventurous an improvisor as Bix
>>> is not to "complain" about him or suggest that he wasn't an important
>>> figure in jazz history or to deny his (and others') expanding the roles
>>> of
>>> their instruments. I repeat (and it's only an opinion, of course): Tram
>>> wasn't as fertile or adventurous an improvisor as Bix. If every player
>>> had
>>> to be a Giant of Jazz, my record collection would be pared down to a few
>>> artists, if I could indeed identify the Giants. There's good stuff all
>>> around, but it's also useful to exchange ideas about the contributions of
>>> many jazz artists.
>>>
>>> Charlie
>>>
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