[Dixielandjazz] Monk and Pee Wee; other one-of-a-kinds? [WARNING: SPF validation unavailable]

Thu Nov 6 20:18:17 PST 2014

Fair enough, Charlie.
Lester had so many imitators that it drove him mad, I think. 
There was a clarinet player in the Missourians called William Thornton Blue who had a very recognizable and unique style that no one - as far as I know - has ever been able to emulate. - But the Missourians didn't record much, so he's not very well known.
Cheers
tim
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From: Charles Suhor [mailto:csuhor at zebra.net] 
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Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Monk and Pee Wee; other one-of-a-kinds? [WARNING: SPF validation unavailable]

I guess I had in mind players who, though singularly great, were SO individual that they didn't produce an imitable style or virtually establish a genre, like Louis, Bix, Bird, Pres, Bud, etc, did. "Eccentric" might be the word, shorn of its negative connotations. "Jazz mutation" might be the phrase, again, in  good sense, in that others did't "evolve" from them. Nothing's at stake here, just a little thought experiment I wanted to toss out.

Charlie Suhor

On Nov 6, 2014, at 9:38 PM, Shaw, Tim wrote:

> How could you forget Lester Young?
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> Well said. Two to add to my list-- Slam Stewart and Sidney Bechet. (although Bob Wilber trasnparently carbon-copied Bechet in the late forties before he went on to a swing-based style).
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> Charlie Suhor
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> On Nov 6, 2014, at 3:48 PM, Robert Ringwald wrote:
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>> Certainly Louis Armstrong
>> Art Tatem
>> Jack Teagarden
>> Edmond Hall
>> Morton
>> Bix
>>
>> Upon hearing these musicians, there is no mistaking them for someone else.
>>
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>> From: Charles Suhor
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>> To: Bob Ringwald
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>> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Monk and Pee Wee; other one-of-a-kinds?
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>> Monk did a concert playing several numbers with Pee Wee Russell. Does anyone know if it's on YouTube? I couldn't find it, maybe for lack of searching skills. That struck me as a fitting duo, since both are one-of-a-kind players, very eccentric and unique within their traditions. Any help would be appreciated.
>>
>> This leads me to thinking....are there others in jazz who have been so distinctive that they're immediately recognizable, and not "imitable" by others without sounding like outright musical plagiarists? Error Garner, surely. Boyce Brown, maybe? Joe Rushton comes close. The under-rated Bill Rank? This is a very subjective game, but I'm interested in others' ideas.
>>
>> Charlie Suhor
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>> On Nov 4, 2014, at 4:50 PM, Marek Boym wrote:
>>
>>> Makes perfect sense to me!
>>> When Monk played solo, he often sounded very OKOM, despite some "weird"
>>> notes.
>>> I have a French CD feturing both the protagonist, but not together.
>>> Monkd plays "Smoke Gets in Your Eyes" there that is as traditional as you cen get!
>>> Sedning for those of you who do not subscribe to "Jazz on the Tube"
>>> (so what if I delete obout 50% or over without listening?).
>>> Cheers
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Jazz on the Tube <letters at jazzonthetube.com>
>>> Date: 4 November 2014 02:03
>>> Subject: Monk and Joe Turner - yes Monk and Turner
>>> To: Marek <marekboym at gmail.com>
>>>
>>>
>>> Marek
>>>
>>> Did you know that once upon a time
>>> Thelonious Monk and pianist Joe Turner sat down at two pianos for a 
>>> duet?
>>>
>>> Me neither.
>>>
>>> We came across this while looking for material for Joe Turner's 
>>> birthday today.
>>>
>>> An interesting pairing to say the least!
>>>
>>> Video:
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