[Dixielandjazz] trombone players

Wed Apr 23 05:02:14 PDT 2014

Well, I didn't say it, did I?
To say it would be as silly as saying that Mr McGariTea or Sandy Williams recorded the 'best' trombone solo. But your reactions confirmed my point, didn't they?
I was very fond of George Brunies's work with Ted Lewis. But he did eventually go downhill in the years after Muggsy. He had terrible stomach trouble and he tried to fight his ulcer(s) by eating very hot chillies and drinking pints of whiskey.
'Fight fire with fire!' he cried, which is probably how he got the nickname 'Ironhead'.

Steve Voce
Incidentally, I went to delete the messages below but there are too many!

Sent from my iPad

> On 23 Apr 2014, at 07:54, Lindsay Meech <lindsay.meech2012 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> How could anyone say George Brunies had recorded the worst solo on trombone ?
> Unbelievable.
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>>  1. Re: Greatest Trombone Solo (Marek Boym)
>>  2. Re: Greatest Trombone Solo (Steve Heist)
>>  3. Re: Greatest Trombone Solo (Gary Lawrence Murphy)
>>  4. hacked (Pat Ladd)
>>  5. Re: Greatest Trombone Solo (Robert Ringwald)
>>  6. Re: Greatest Trombone Solo (Robert Ringwald)
>>  7. Re: hacked (Robert Ringwald)
>>  8. Re: Greatest Trombone Solo (Steve Heist)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 15:32:28 +0300
>> From: Marek Boym <marekboym at gmail.com>
>> To: Steve Voce <stevevoce at virginmedia.com>
>> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Greatest Trombone Solo
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>> Sorry for the truncated message.  Here 't'is from the beginning:
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>> You make me feel like a politician, Steve - explaining that my words are
>> quoted "out of context."
>> I explicitly wrote "The greatest trombone solo I'VE EVER HEARD is Sandy
>> Williams' on "Low Down Blues," which renders the question at to whether
>> I've heard all trombone solos (no) or "Sandy Williams/Rex Stewart Paris
>> recordings" (yes) irrelevant.  Or any other recordings.  Lou McGArity,
>> Benny Morton, Higginbotham, Wells, you name them.  Bob, too, wrote about
>> the greatest HE had ever heard.
>> Unfortunately, plain text does not allow emphasis, hence I must use
>> capitals to make the point.
>> Cheers.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 22 April 2014 15:11, Steve Voce <stevevoce at virginmedia.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> "Best"?
>>> 
>>> You must all be nuts. How can you so casually assert that one trombone
>>> solos is the "best"? Have you heard every trombone solo?
>>> Have you even heard the Sandy Williams/Rex Stewart Paris recordings and
>>> the McGarity Quartet CD? I'll bet you haven't.
>>> Certainly they were both fine jazz players, but....Dickie Wells, Jay C
>>> Higginbotham, Tea, Bill Harris, Lawrence Brown...
>>> Maybe you should look for the"worst".
>>> George "Ironhead" Brunies?
>>> 
>>> Steve Voce
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 22 April 2014 05:16, Robert Ringwald <rsr at ringwald.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Marek wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ???The greatest trombone solo I've ever heard is Sandy Williams' on "Low
>>>>> Down Blues,"?? (snip)
>>>>> 
>>>>> The greatest Jazz trombone solo I ever heard is Lu Mc Garidy with Eddie
>>>>> Condon on ???There???ll BE Some Changes Made.??
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Bob Ringwald K6YBV
>>>>> www.ringwald.com
>>>>> 916/ 806-9551
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 08:42:50 -0400
>> From: Steve Heist <steveheist at videotron.ca>
>> To: stevevoce at virginmedia.com
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>> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Greatest Trombone Solo
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>> Well said, Steve...!!!  The word "Best", belongs in sports and other 
>> objective endeavors, NOT in the arts (which are extremely subjective)!!!
>> What one person likes, is another mans poison...  What in the world 
>> constitutes the best???  Technical prowess?  Artistic feel?  Timing?  There 
>> are too many variables to count!!
>> You can say, rather, that you like so and so as a player - (Two of MY 
>> favorite trombone players are and were Skip Diringer and Jimmy Haislip from 
>> St. Louis)
>> It all boils down to who you like!!!  Get it??? and it's OKAY to like more 
>> than one!!!
>> 
>> Steve "Stubby" Heist
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: Steve Voce
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 8:11 AM
>> To: Steve Heist
>> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Greatest Trombone Solo
>> 
>> "Best"?
>> 
>> You must all be nuts. How can you so casually assert that one trombone
>> solos is the "best"? Have you heard every trombone solo?
>> Have you even heard the Sandy Williams/Rex Stewart Paris recordings and
>> the McGarity Quartet CD? I'll bet you haven't.
>> Certainly they were both fine jazz players, but....Dickie Wells, Jay C
>> Higginbotham, Tea, Bill Harris, Lawrence Brown...
>> Maybe you should look for the"worst".
>> George "Ironhead" Brunies?
>> 
>> Steve Voce
>> 
>>> On 22/04/2014 09:25, Marek Boym wrote:
>>> Perhaps the greatness of beauty lies in the ears of the listener?  I am 
>>> not
>>> sure to what rendition of "Changes" you are referring, but I have lots of
>>> Condonia and srill hold the Williams solo the greatest.
>>> To my ears, the best lou McGarity solo is on "Blues for Brad" by Wild Bill
>>> Davison' Jazzologists on Jazzology.
>>> Cheers
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 22 April 2014 05:16, Robert Ringwald <rsr at ringwald.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Marek wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ???The greatest trombone solo I've ever heard is Sandy Williams' on "Low
>>>> Down Blues,"???
>>>> (snip)
>>>> 
>>>> The greatest Jazz trombone solo I ever heard is Lu Mc Garidy with Eddie
>>>> Condon on ???There???ll BE Some Changes Made.???
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Bob Ringwald K6YBV
>>>> www.ringwald.com
>>>> 916/ 806-9551
>>>> 
>>>> First you forget names,
>>>> then you forget faces.
>>>> Then you forget to pull up your zipper...
>>>> it's worse when you forget to pull it down.
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>> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 09:11:01 -0400
>> From: Gary Lawrence Murphy <garym at teledyn.com>
>> To: Steve Heist <steveheist at videotron.ca>
>> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Greatest Trombone Solo
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>> Respectfully, I shall disagree: the *best* solo is the one that is
>> being played for you there live, right there, in the moment, and it
>> does not matter how blisteringly brilliant or how bad, all that
>> matters is that it means the tradition still lives, that it still
>> excites people to *want* to play it.
>> 
>> and *that* is indeed something precious
>> 
>>> On 4/22/14, Steve Heist <steveheist at videotron.ca> wrote:
>>> Well said, Steve...!!!  The word "Best", belongs in sports and other
>>> objective endeavors, NOT in the arts (which are extremely subjective)!!!
>>> What one person likes, is another mans poison...  What in the world
>>> constitutes the best???  Technical prowess?  Artistic feel?  Timing?  There
>>> 
>>> are too many variables to count!!
>>> You can say, rather, that you like so and so as a player - (Two of MY
>>> favorite trombone players are and were Skip Diringer and Jimmy Haislip from
>>> 
>>> St. Louis)
>>> It all boils down to who you like!!!  Get it??? and it's OKAY to like more
>>> than one!!!
>>> 
>>> Steve "Stubby" Heist
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Steve Voce
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 8:11 AM
>>> To: Steve Heist
>>> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Greatest Trombone Solo
>>> 
>>> "Best"?
>>> 
>>> You must all be nuts. How can you so casually assert that one trombone
>>> solos is the "best"? Have you heard every trombone solo?
>>> Have you even heard the Sandy Williams/Rex Stewart Paris recordings and
>>> the McGarity Quartet CD? I'll bet you haven't.
>>> Certainly they were both fine jazz players, but....Dickie Wells, Jay C
>>> Higginbotham, Tea, Bill Harris, Lawrence Brown...
>>> Maybe you should look for the"worst".
>>> George "Ironhead" Brunies?
>>> 
>>> Steve Voce
>>> 
>>>> On 22/04/2014 09:25, Marek Boym wrote:
>>>> Perhaps the greatness of beauty lies in the ears of the listener?  I am
>>>> not
>>>> sure to what rendition of "Changes" you are referring, but I have lots of
>>>> Condonia and srill hold the Williams solo the greatest.
>>>> To my ears, the best lou McGarity solo is on "Blues for Brad" by Wild
>>>> Bill
>>>> Davison' Jazzologists on Jazzology.
>>>> Cheers
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 22 April 2014 05:16, Robert Ringwald <rsr at ringwald.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Marek wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ???The greatest trombone solo I've ever heard is Sandy Williams' on "Low
>>>>> Down Blues,"??
>>>>> (snip)
>>>>> 
>>>>> The greatest Jazz trombone solo I ever heard is Lu Mc Garidy with Eddie
>>>>> Condon on ???There???ll BE Some Changes Made.??
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Bob Ringwald K6YBV
>>>>> www.ringwald.com
>>>>> 916/ 806-9551
>>>>> 
>>>>> First you forget names,
>>>>> then you forget faces.
>>>>> Then you forget to pull up your zipper...
>>>>> it's worse when you forget to pull it down.
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 17:04:08 +0100
>> From: "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd at btinternet.com>
>> To: "dixieland jazz" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] hacked
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>> Hi All
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>> I have apparently been hacked. During the `cleaning up` period a number of messages waiting in my outbox were deleted.
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>> If anyone is expecting a message from me please let me know.
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>> Sorry
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>> Pat
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 11:06:34 -0700
>> From: "Robert Ringwald" <rsr at ringwald.com>
>> To: "DJML" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Greatest Trombone Solo
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>> Steve "Stubby" Heist wrote regarding best of anything. For those of you who were asleep during the beginning of this thread, the original conversation was about trombone solos. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> What in the world constitutes the best???  Technical prowess?  Artistic feel?  Timing? 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Steve, thanks for those descriptions. IMO, The recording of Lou McGarity?s solo on ?There?ll Be Some changes Made? from the ?Jamin? At Condon?s album, more than meets your criterion as stated above. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> True, I have not heard all trombone solo?s that have been played, nor all that have been recorded. But, of all I have heard in my 73 years, 4-months, 27 days, 5-some hours, it is my favorite, and has to rank up there with some of the greatest recorded Jazz trombone solos of all times. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> In fact, the album of which it is on is one of my favorite recordings.  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> There . . . . I hope that satisfies some of the nitpickers on the list. (grin)
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Bob (Now where?d they put that damn piano) Ringwald
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 11:17:17 -0700
>> From: "Robert Ringwald" <rsr at ringwald.com>
>> To: "DJML" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Greatest Trombone Solo
>> Message-ID: <C071C40742314B11B986F2289BD80A44 at BobPC>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="Windows-1252"
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>> Steve Voce wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> "Best"? You must all be nuts. How can you so casually assert that one trombone
>> 
>> solos is the "best"? Have you heard every trombone solo?
>> 
>> (snip)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Steve, Please read the text closer. Neither Marek nor me asserted that our favorite trombone solos were the greatest. You missed three important words, i.e. ?I?ve ever heard.?
>> 
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>> Best,
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>> -Bob Ringwald
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 11:24:04 -0700
>> From: "Robert Ringwald" <rsr at ringwald.com>
>> To: "DJML" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] hacked
>> Message-ID: <0486F47C1DCB4C15A3929E8B0BC8F0BB at BobPC>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1"
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>> Pat Ladd wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi All
>> 
>> I have apparently been hacked. During the `cleaning up` period a number of messages waiting in my outbox were deleted.
>> 
>> If anyone is expecting a message from me please let me know.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Gee Pat, that is really too bad. You missed out on that Nigerian Prince who was offering to give you 30 million dollars. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Oh well, maybe next time??
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Bob Ringwald
>> 
>> www.ringwald.com
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>> Message: 8
>> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 14:46:15 -0400
>> From: Steve Heist <steveheist at videotron.ca>
>> To: Robert Ringwald <rsr at ringwald.com>
>> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Greatest Trombone Solo
>> Message-ID: <95930401B4EA4602AEC56B89E6F3F1E5 at SteveHeistPC>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=Windows-1252;
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>> 
>> Hi all,
>> Didn't mean to nitpick, Robert...  but when people talk about "the best", it 
>> raises a big red flag for me...
>> To use a very simple analogy, who's the "best" painter???  DaVinci? Renoir? 
>> Picasso?
>> As has been said many times, beauty is in the eye of the beholder...  (grin)
>> 
>> Stubby
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: Robert Ringwald
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:06 PM
>> To: Steve Heist
>> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Greatest Trombone Solo
>> 
>> Steve "Stubby" Heist wrote regarding best of anything. For those of you who 
>> were asleep during the beginning of this thread, the original conversation 
>> was about trombone solos.
>> What in the world constitutes the best???  Technical prowess?  Artistic 
>> feel?  Timing?
>> Steve, thanks for those descriptions. IMO, The recording of Lou McGarity?s 
>> solo on ?There?ll Be Some changes Made? from the ?Jamin? At Condon?s album, 
>> more than meets your criterion as stated above.
>> True, I have not heard all trombone solo?s that have been played, nor all 
>> that have been recorded. But, of all I have heard in my 73 years, 4-months, 
>> 27 days, 5-some hours, it is my favorite, and has to rank up there with some 
>> of the greatest recorded Jazz trombone solos of all times.
>> In fact, the album of which it is on is one of my favorite recordings.
>> There . . . . I hope that satisfies some of the nitpickers on the list. 
>> (grin)
>> -Bob (Now where?d they put that damn piano) Ringwald
>> 
>> 
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