[Dixielandjazz] FW: Re: Disavowing our roots

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I don't think Duke really gave up his big bank totally, I wouldn't  
know a year when he didn't make big band recordings. He sometimes  
temporarely did things with smaller groups, but the big band always  
maintained to exist as far as I know.

Bert


Citeren Brian Havey <sweet.figlio at btinternet.com>:

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> Thanks to Anton Crouch for his thoughtful input.
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> The problem with restrictive regimes is surely that they can be and   
> often are sterile.
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> As Louis and Duke found – to survive they needed to adapt the   
> essence of their music – without diluting it’s core – in order to   
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> Duke and Basie had at one point to give up their orchestras and   
> subsist with small groups.
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> Louis similarly gave up his big band and the All Stars were born.
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> And all this was is in the face of economic necessity – the   
> necessity of putting “bums on seats”.
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> A sterile policy leads surely to sterility?.
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> I know – I’ve been there.
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> For years I insisted that every live band I paid to see had to have a banjo.
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> Then I woke up and my audiences – for broadcasts and recitals – have trebled.
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> People who previously thought they hated jazz now find they love it   
> – even if not by name – I’ve stopped using labels.
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> The enthusiasts who insist on only living within the restrictions of  
>  the jazz labelling system are deluding themselves and their  
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> The result quite frequently is that the musicians they patronise end  
>  up playing the labels rather than the music.
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> But its healthy that the debate continues.
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> Brian Harvey
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> From: Anton Crouch [mailto:anton.crouch at optusnet.com.au]
> Sent: 15 January 2013 07:55
> To: ♫ Sharp Bill - - B# ♫
> Cc: Brian Havey; Dixieland Jazz Mailing List
> Subject: Re: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Disavowing our roots
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> Hello all
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> I agree with Brian Harvey on this issue and think that Bill Sharp is  
>  a touch unreasonable. Why?
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> 1. Those who now play OKOM are not "historians" in any sense that a   
> scholar would use the word. "Re-enactment" is useful and brings out   
> the element of cultural preservation. Re-enactment illuminates the   
> facts of history but it is not, in itself, history.
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> 2. "Laws", as Bill shows, are actually  by-laws or a charter and   
> depend on interpretation of phrases such as "Dixieland Jazz Music".   
> Think of all the fun and games we've had on DJML with the   
> interpretation of such phrases.
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> 3. Brian argues for an evolutionary approach - note his use of the   
> word "diversity".
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> 4. What do people have against Cajun?  :-)                    
> Musicologically it is of interest to jazz enthusiasts - remember   
> that it started as French/African dance music in Louisiana. Does   
> this origin sound familiar?
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> 5. Louis Armstrong and yodeling - right-on. Remember Blue yodel   
> number 9, Los Angeles, 16 July 1930. OK - I'm joking, but you get   
> the idea.
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> All the best,
> Anton
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> On 15/01/2013 08:15, ♫ Sharp Bill - - B# ♫ wrote (in part):
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> Brian,
>  so, after pulling my head out of the sand, and removing the   
> blinders, you are obviously saying that we should now diversify and   
> bring cajun, rock and roll, be-bop and perhaps even rap into our   
> midst so as to survive.  If  King Oliver, Jelly Roll Norton and   
> Louis Armstrong were alive today that is what they would be doing,   
> in order to propagate diversity. Perhaps Louie, to truly diversify,   
>  would include yodeling.    In that case throw out what has been   
> called Our Kind Of Music, as there would no longer be such a thing.
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