[Dixielandjazz] Music in Pubs

[Dixiejazzdata]

Here here Mates:

Any respectable Pub that has residences above them should certainly have them as by the hour residences, with or with out chamber maids, since some of the respectable pub maids might make use of them, the additional revenue would certainly enhance the payment for musicians playing in the PUB.   

Bring back the good old days when Pubs could afford a band :))  and then Maybe I would play one again.

Cheers,

 
Tom Wiggins

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: ROBERT R. CALDER <serapion at btinternet.com>
To: B.B. Buffington <dixiejazzdata at aol.com>
Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
Sent: Thu, Oct 4, 2012 3:58 pm
Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Music in Pubs


My dear friend Ken seems to have missed the problem that was dramatised when a 
Glasgow pub whose name I forget -- due,  I hasten to add, to my not drinking and 
not having been there for years -- tried a long time ago to establish itself as 
a folk music venue. The Scotia bar almost across the road had already 
re-established itself as a music venue, and its management had something to do 
with a stop being put to the other place's musical ambitions -- pending 
application for permission from the then city licensing authorities. 

Nowadays a third pub at the same road junction has a long record of musical 
performances, beginning from long after the law temporarily silenced the one 
whose name I can't remember. All three of these pubs occupied ground floor 
premises in tallish residential buildings, but prior to the onset of 
music-centred hostilities the upper floors had been removed. And so indeed had 
the warrens in which their erstwhile clientele lived -- further downmarket they 
could not have gone -- hence the idea of music as an attraction to outsiders to 
keep these places open, although the Scotia had a long history of music ...
I suppose the problem the unnamed pub had was to do with introducing music where 
it hadn't featured previously -- and the profit margins had been kept low as a 
matter of competition, so nobody could have been paid if there had been any room 
for musicians. But the law was changed a very long time ago now. Not to mention 
the prices! 


Back in those days and coming back from an excursion I do recall dropping into a 
pub in a small village, as near home as we could get before ten o'clock and all 
the pubs shut. The sign forbidding singing was a marvel to behold. 
Quite why would anybody want to sing here? I asked myself, and we drank up and 
left 


cheers!

Robert R. Calder 


From: "Ken Mathieson" <ken at kenmath.free-online.co.uk>

The proposed changes apply to England, not the UK (there is a very unsubtle 
distinction which is general missed by all but the Scots, Welsh and Ulster 
folk). The previous legislation restricting the number of performers and 
requiring specific entertainment licences never did apply in Scotland, where we 
have a more enlightened approach to music in pubs etc. We also have the distinct 
benefit that our legal system is independent of the UK parliament in London. 
Noise nuisance issues in Scotland are covered under everyday Civil Law 
provisions. I'm not sure how Wales and Northern Ireland are affected, but both, 
like Scotland, have their own Parliaments and Governments responsible for 
matters devolved from the UK parliament, although both are subject to English 
Law, so they may have been stuck with that crazy English regulation. One rule 
that does apply to pub gigs anywhere in the UK and Northern Ireland is that the 
money will be crap!
>
>Cheers,
>
>Ken Mathieson    
>
>
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