[Dixielandjazz] Fw: Ellington and Coltrane

[Robert Ringwald]

Here here!



From: John Petters 
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 3:44 PM
To: Bob Ringwald 
Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List 
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Ellington and Coltrane

I agree with the Poet, Philip Larkin on the subject of Coltrane,
"With John Coltrane metallic and passionless nullity gave way to
exercises in gigantic absurdity, great boring excursions and
not-especially-attractive themes during which all possible changes were
rung, extended investigations of oriental tedium, long-winded and
portentous demonstrations of religiosity. It was with Coltrane, too,
that jazz started to be ugly on purpose: his nasty tone would become
more and more exacerbated until he was fairly screeching at you like a
pair of demoniacally-possessed bagpipes".

The only Coltrane album I possess is the Ellington one - and he annoys
me on it.

-- 
John Petters
www.traditional-jazz.com
Amateur Radio Station G3YPZ

On 26/08/2012 22:32, Hal Vickery wrote:
> 
> My dad (a weekend drummer) always used to use the expression "building a house."  Elvin Jones is an amazing drummer, but his playing often seems to be too "busy" for me.  He wants to build that house when he should supporting the lead players.  I haven't listened to this album in ages, but it seems to me that Duke's playing on it was a tad bit more adventurous that "modern" player Coltrane.  (Remember this is coming from a non-musician.)
> Hal Vickery
> 
>> From: barbonestreet at earthlink.net
>> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 17:08:04 -0400
>> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Ellington and Coltrane
>> CC: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
>> To: hvickery_80 at msn.com
>>
>>
>> On Aug 26, 2012, at 3:00 PM, dixielandjazz-request at ml.islandnet.com wrote:
>>
>>> "Robert Ringwald" <rsr at ringwald.com> wrote (about Trane and Ellington "In A Sentimental Mood)
>>>
>>> Beautiful playing by Ellington, Trane and the bass player. But, if any non-musician has heard the expression that musicians use about drummers, ?Building a house,? this drummer is doing just that. 
>>>
>>> IMHO he should be playing first of all with brushes. Secondly, not trying to play lead. The piano and sax are playing the lead. The bass player is supporting them. The drummer should be doing the same. But instead, he is ?Building a house.? Might as well give him a hammer and some nails.  
>>
>> I knew you catch that Bob. The drummer on that track is Elvin Jones, from Coltrane's band. He just didn't fit with the song. The bass player is Aaron Bell from Duke's band.  
>>
>> When they cut the album, each song was done by quartet. The bass and drums were played alternately by members from Trane's band, and from Duke's Band. In this case, I think Duke's drummer, Sam Woodyard, would have fit in much better. He played on most of the other Ellington songs in the album.
>>
>> Aaron Bell was a fine player. To hear his genius in trio form with Hank Jones and Ed Thigpen, go to:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kylAUHcLszI
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Steve Barbone
>> www.myspace.com/barbonestreetjazzband
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