[Dixielandjazz] Dixie vs. Trad

[Marek Boym]

How about the New Black Eagle Jazz Band?
Cheers

On 15 January 2011 18:45, Rick <rickz at usermail.com> wrote:
> Although Lu was copying the King Oliver band, the time period was the 20's.
>  There is a drastic difference between Coon-Sanders and McKinney's Cotton
> Pickers (20's) and Benny Goodman and Eddie Condon (30's)
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> The examples I cited were great examples of that 20's music..
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> I suppose if I was going to stick to US Trad, I would cite:
> + Turk Murphy
> + Bob Schultz
> + Queen City Jazz Band (to get out of SFO)
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> My Colorado Nighthawks had the classic 3-horn front line
> and Tuba, Drums/Washboard, banjo.
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> The Bix bands in Chicago &c are pretty close to Trad.
> Vince Guardino is definitely doing trad, but he does use a larger front
> line.
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> There are a lot of good arrangements available for reed & horn sections.
> I will probably explore those possibilities with Floyd Frame.
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> Rick
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> On 1/14/2011 9:33 PM, Gluetje1 at aol.com wrote:
>>
>> Rick, No big deal with me but I was surprised and confused by your
>> defining "Trad" as banjo, tuba, and the front three -- but then that was not
>> what any of your examples below were.
>> Ginny
>> In a message dated 1/14/2011 5:16:24 P.M. Central Standard Time,
>> rickz at usermail.com writes:
>>
>>    I can't /define/ dixie, and apparently no
>>    one else
>>    can!!
>>
>>    When I was at Little Rock High School --
>>    1952, we
>>    did a minstrel, and we did "Are you from Dixie"
>>
>>    Well... I'm from Dixie, and I can't define
>>    Dixieland.
>>
>>    I can define "Trad"
>>
>>    Lu Watters put a band together in SFO, to play
>>    "music"  It was patterned after the King
>>    Oliver Band.
>>    It was the start of the "Trad Jazz Revival"
>>
>>    I cut my eye teeth on The Fire House Five Plus
>>    Two, and then Turk Murphy.  We called it
>>    "Dixieland"
>>    but it wasn't.  Troublemakers said "you
>>    can't call
>>    it 'dixieland' because it's not from DIXIE"
>>
>>    Well that's right.  I can define Trad!   It has
>>
>>    Tuba
>>    Banjo
>>    The front three (trumpet, clarinet, trombone)
>>    TUBA.
>>    (why tuba??? because IT GOES WITH THE BANJO!!!)
>>
>>    Unfortunately, the early trad bands didn't
>>    pick up
>>    the Splash Cymbal, which was a 20's staple.
>>
>>    So, the best trad bands now are not even in
>>    the US!!
>>
>>    Sharkey -- from the 70's.
>>    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mx9eyBJmBs
>>
>>    La Porteno -- from the present.
>>    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9CJVGxwnLI&feature=related
>>
>>    Except for, of course,
>>    Vince Giordano, who's Nighthawks obviously
>>    capture
>>    that Coon-Sander's element from the 20's.
>>
>>    Vince was the bass coach at the Adult Trad Jazz
>>    Camp I went to in San Diego, but I really
>>    didn't
>>    get to know him!!
>>
>>    Anyway... historically... when the Firehouse
>>    Five
>>    plus 2 started playing, people called it
>>    Dixieland.
>>
>>    "It's not Dixieland" -- the purists screamed --
>>    it's from <gasp> California.   Yes.. and so was
>>    Turk Murphy.
>>
>>    And Bob Schultz.   And we know -- it's not
>>    Dixie
>>    -- it's TRAD!!
>>
>>    So.. anyway... I can't define "dixie" but I
>>    sure
>>    can define TRAD.  And that's what I want to play
>>
>>    Rick Jolley, banjo
>>    The Colorado Nighthawks
>>    Colorado Springs, CO
>>
>>
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