[Dixielandjazz] Dixie vs. Trad

[Rick]

Although Lu was copying the King Oliver band, the 
time period was the 20's.  There is a drastic 
difference between Coon-Sanders and McKinney's 
Cotton Pickers (20's) and Benny Goodman and Eddie 
Condon (30's)

The examples I cited were great examples of that 
20's music..

I suppose if I was going to stick to US Trad, I 
would cite:
+ Turk Murphy
+ Bob Schultz
+ Queen City Jazz Band (to get out of SFO)

My Colorado Nighthawks had the classic 3-horn 
front line
and Tuba, Drums/Washboard, banjo.

The Bix bands in Chicago &c are pretty close to Trad.
Vince Guardino is definitely doing trad, but he 
does use a larger front line.

There are a lot of good arrangements available for 
reed & horn sections.
I will probably explore those possibilities with 
Floyd Frame.

Rick







On 1/14/2011 9:33 PM, Gluetje1 at aol.com wrote:
> Rick, No big deal with me but I was surprised 
> and confused by your defining "Trad" as banjo, 
> tuba, and the front three -- but then that was 
> not what any of your examples below were.
> Ginny
> In a message dated 1/14/2011 5:16:24 P.M. 
> Central Standard Time, rickz at usermail.com writes:
>
>     I can't /define/ dixie, and apparently no
>     one else
>     can!!
>
>     When I was at Little Rock High School --
>     1952, we
>     did a minstrel, and we did "Are you from Dixie"
>
>     Well... I'm from Dixie, and I can't define
>     Dixieland.
>
>     I can define "Trad"
>
>     Lu Watters put a band together in SFO, to play
>     "music"  It was patterned after the King
>     Oliver Band.
>     It was the start of the "Trad Jazz Revival"
>
>     I cut my eye teeth on The Fire House Five Plus
>     Two, and then Turk Murphy.  We called it
>     "Dixieland"
>     but it wasn't.  Troublemakers said "you
>     can't call
>     it 'dixieland' because it's not from DIXIE"
>
>     Well that's right.  I can define Trad!   It has
>
>     Tuba
>     Banjo
>     The front three (trumpet, clarinet, trombone)
>     TUBA.
>     (why tuba??? because IT GOES WITH THE BANJO!!!)
>
>     Unfortunately, the early trad bands didn't
>     pick up
>     the Splash Cymbal, which was a 20's staple.
>
>     So, the best trad bands now are not even in
>     the US!!
>
>     Sharkey -- from the 70's.
>     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mx9eyBJmBs
>
>     La Porteno -- from the present.
>     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9CJVGxwnLI&feature=related
>
>     Except for, of course,
>     Vince Giordano, who's Nighthawks obviously
>     capture
>     that Coon-Sander's element from the 20's.
>
>     Vince was the bass coach at the Adult Trad Jazz
>     Camp I went to in San Diego, but I really
>     didn't
>     get to know him!!
>
>     Anyway... historically... when the Firehouse
>     Five
>     plus 2 started playing, people called it
>     Dixieland.
>
>     "It's not Dixieland" -- the purists screamed --
>     it's from <gasp> California.   Yes.. and so was
>     Turk Murphy.
>
>     And Bob Schultz.   And we know -- it's not
>     Dixie
>     -- it's TRAD!!
>
>     So.. anyway... I can't define "dixie" but I
>     sure
>     can define TRAD.  And that's what I want to play
>
>     Rick Jolley, banjo
>     The Colorado Nighthawks
>     Colorado Springs, CO
>
>