[Dixielandjazz] Body & Soul ~ Masterpiece or not?
richard.flecknell at ntlworld.com
richard.flecknell at ntlworld.com
Sun Oct 11 08:38:46 PDT 2009
Due to backlog of email report on Hawks solo is delayed.
I wanted to be able say it was not the masterpiece claimed, but now having fallen off the fence (I'm clinging by my fingertips to it and about to fall off), and listening on a repeat loop for 2 days I'm 'bout to give my humble verdict. Not worth the salt but fun. I still prefer sax player in ODJB to Hawk, talk about advanced.
I'll explain later.
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> 4. What Friends are for ... (Bill Haesler)
> 5. Chords (rahberry at comcast.net)
> 6. Gig - The musical definition-Mark Guest writes (Norman Vickers)
> 7. E-Mail Tracker--don't get trapped!!--retraction! (Norman Vickers)
> 8. Lou Terrasi's Jazz Club in NYC (Stephen G Barbone)
> 9. Re: What Friends are for ... (James O'Briant)
> 10. Re: [Trombone-l] nominate Jack Teagarden for NPR's 50 Great
> Voices (Marek Boym)
> 11. Re: Which Melody? (Marek Boym)
> 12. Re: Lou Terrasi's Jazz Club in NYC (Marek Boym)
> 13. Endless repetition (was Panama) (Bert Thompson)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 8:28:39 +0100
> From: <richard.flecknell at ntlworld.com>
> To: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] What Friends are for ...
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> So Sheik the holy grail like search is nearing its end, 3 cheers for Phil Wilking.
> I'm sure Sheik and Ginny know now I was only gently pulling their legs. My original comments from first post still stand though.
> Look Sheik, You had Steve Barbone helping you out (hope I chipped in) as well and judging him solely by his posts he's far flung from the nitty-gritty of esoterical New Orleans debating, collecting and who did what.
> The Bolden cylinder I know was lost ~ what was the song recorded and what was on the other side ~ were there any alternative takes? Did anyone find Avery's syrup of figs.
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> Steve B ~ Here's one for you how did Benny Carter spin off that wonderfully logical solo on I Can't Believe your in love with me (Choc.Dandies? c40).
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> Back to lurking soon.
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> Richard.
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> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 8:49:25 +0100
> From: <richard.flecknell at ntlworld.com>
> To: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Brian Wood ~ Israel Gorman
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> Brian, you mentioned that Luis Russell was born in Columbia and not Panama.
> You include that in your book "The Song Is Me". While looking that fact up I was listening to Israel Gorman w Punch Miller so looking in your book I found he was killed in the 65 hurricane. Any further details I've always enjoyed these sometimes quirky musicians. Although not always accurate in their playing, age may be behind this, the sounds they produce are far removed from established methods and I enjoy this.
> Brian you are obviously a Bunk fan. I'm also in the camp, never understood the criticism of him. My favourite session, emotional charged (especially when reading the liner notes, is his first recordings. What a thrill it must have been for them record.
> I have a soft spot for the white musicians of New Orleans as well I like their brand of Dixieland. Just to be clear I mean those that were around when Dixieland made the headlines not the brash version often heard in that city later on. Any info on Mike Lala other than what's in your book.
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> Richard
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> Cc: dixielandjazz-request at ml.islandnet.com, Dixieland Jazz Mailing
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> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] For Steve Barbone ~ Lou Terrasi's
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> Any info on this place. Few years back they issued live sessions (thought all sessions are live) broadcasted in around 1952. That's probably too far back for you to have looked in. One of thse cds was Buck Claytonn a untypically, for him, dixieland setting. Boy can he play, listen to My Gal Sal. Your'll find on it the well known Buster Bailey (not a favourite of mine - too weedy a sound) and Herb Fleming (who goes back a bit) and Kenny Kersey.
> Now if (old chestnut) we're looking to play exciting Jazz study Buck's playing here. By the way Eldridge could/did play Dixieland, listen to him rip through That's A Plenty (I think late 50s recording). Not for the purists but his version brings a smile. I'm sure you know this you were there in NY.
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> I like most forms of Jazz but an example of how to approach the older forms with a fresh but still respectful glance back, would be Kenny Davern (sadly no longer here).
> Richard
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 19:33:05 +1100
> From: Bill Haesler <bhaesler at bigpond.net.au>
> To: richard.flecknell at ntlworld.com, Dixieland Jazz Mailing List
> <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>, Stephen G Barbone
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> <richard.flecknell at ntlworld.com> wrote [in part]:
> > The Bolden cylinder I know was lost ~ what was the song recorded and
> > what was on the other side ~ were there any alternative takes?
> > Steve B ~ Here's one for you how did Benny Carter spin off that
> > wonderfully logical solo on I Can't Believe your in love with me
> > (Choc.Dandies? c40).
>
> Dear Richard,
> Chocolate Dandies for Commodore, New York 25 May 1940.
> Which take of "I Can't Believe You're In Love With Me"?
> The fast or slow one?
> Sorry, I couldn't resist it.
> Very kind regards,
> Bill.
> PS: I prefer the slow version (2nd take).
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> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:36:57 +0000 (UTC)
> From: rahberry at comcast.net
> To: Dixieland Jazz <Dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Chords
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> Listmates:
> I've been wondering: What do musicians mean when
> they say they are going to play *New Orleans* chords,
> rather than *correct* chords?
> What determines how each type of chords is structured?
> A puzzle to me.....
> -- Rae Ann
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 08:51:09 -0500
> From: "Norman Vickers" <nvickers1 at cox.net>
> To: "DJML" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>, "Bill Campbell"
> <penroseiii at cox.net>
> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Gig - The musical definition-Mark Guest
> writes
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> To: Musicians and Jazzfans; DJML; Bill Campbell
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> From: Norman
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> Mark Guest, jazz guitarist in Asheville, NC writes.
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> From: Mark Guest [mailto:mark.c.guest at gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:34 AM
> To: Norman Vickers
> Subject: Re: : Gig - The musical definition--Barbone writes
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> "These days, gig can have a wide range of senses, including a fairly new one
> that refers to any short-term paying commission or job; it need not be
> associated with music or performance, but it does preclude permanent
> full-time employment.'
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> Ugh. Now *that's* depressing!
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> All the best,
>
> Mark Guest
> Jazz Guitar
> www.markguest.net
> www.cdbaby.com/cd/markguest
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> Norman writes; the latter underlined portion of Guest's message reminds me
> of this story.
>
> Eli Newberger of Boston, world-class tuba player and also pianist is a
> former member of the New Black Eagles jazz band. They had a weekly gig at
> a local pub. He is also a world expert pediatrician on faculty at Harvard
> Medical School and physician at famous Boston Children's Hospital. ( Because
> he was a professor, he was able to take time off when the New Black Eagles
> would tour) We had Eli down to Pensacola a couple of times for musical
> events. He stayed over on a Monday and did a "grand rounds" conference for
> the local pediatricians.
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> The point of all this was to say that occasionally Eli would make reference
> to his "day-gig."
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> --end--
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 09:05:54 -0500
> From: "Norman Vickers" <nvickers1 at cox.net>
> To: "DJML" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] E-Mail Tracker--don't get
> trapped!!--retraction!
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> TO: Musicians & Jazzfans, Pensacola Mencken List & some friends
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> From: Norman Vickers-Jazz Society of Pensacola
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> Retraction! It ain't jazz, but I must clarify!
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> An alert Mark Guest of Asheville, NC actually went to Snopes. See the link
> below. The article I ( innocently) forwarded from Gordon & Rose Marie
> Tyrrell
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> Wasn't from Snopes. To see the whole story, go to the link and see what
> they write. At the bottom of the article , there is a link to the original
> Snopes article about e-mail, so you can see what they ACTUALLY wrote.
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> Thanks. Mea culpa! Snopes won't let me copy the article, so I had to send
> the link.
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> Norman
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> From: Mark Guest [mailto:mark.c.guest at gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:46 AM
> To: Norman Vickers
> Subject: Re: E-Mail Tracker--don't get trapped!!
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> heh, heh... While I applaud and share the writer's disdain for chain emails,
> I had to check Snopes as I know that email petitions are accepted by the
> White House, et al. (What they do with our opinions as expressed in
> petitions is another issue.) Here's what I learned. YOU GOT TRICKED! LOL!
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> http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/petition/false.asp
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> All the best,
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> Mark Guest
> Jazz Guitar
> www.markguest.net
> www.cdbaby.com/cd/markguest
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 11:20:43 -0400
> From: Stephen G Barbone <barbonestreet at earthlink.net>
> To: DJML <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Lou Terrasi's Jazz Club in NYC
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> Richard Flecknell asked about Lou Terrasi's joint in NYC circa early
> 1950s. And extolled the virtues of Roy Eldridge's Dixieland style.
>
> Hello Richard:
>
> No, 1952 was not too early for me regarding visits to jazz joints in
> NYC. I started visiting them in 1949, being brought there often
> (underage) on weekends by a neighbor, clarinetist Hank D'Amico.
>
> Did I know about Lou Terrasi's? Sure, it was on West 47th Street. Some
> of the old "Dr Jazz" radio broadcasts were live, from there. Guys like
> Buck Clayton, Bobby Hackett, Charlie Shavers, Roy Eldridge, Gene
> Sedric, Ken Kersey and Vic Dickenson played there. I think some CD re-
> issues of those sessions may be available today.
>
> Yes indeed, Roy Eldridge played some hot Dixieland. I remember a
> series of gigs I played with him in 1961 in Southampton Long Island.
> One at the Hampton Arts Theatre and others at private parties given by
> the beautiful people in their mansions and beach houses.
>
> He finished his playing career at the "new" Ryan's after that. Once,
> an older female fan came up to him and said something like; "Mr
> Eldridge, I didn't know you could play Dixieland". He laughed and
> replied; "That's what I've been playing all my life."
>
> Heck of a player, very competitive, he loved to out play other
> trumpeters on gigs. (eg JATP sessions) They most always (even
> Gillespie) let him go last because nobody wanted to follow him.
>
> Cheers,
> Steve Barbone
> www.myspace.com/barbonestreetjazzband
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> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 08:56:57 -0700
> From: "James O'Briant" <jobriant at garlic.com>
> To: "'Dixieland Jazz Mailing List'" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] What Friends are for ...
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> richard.flecknell at ntlworld.com asks:
>
> > The Bolden cylinder I know was lost ~ what
> > was the song recorded and what was on the
> > other side ...
>
> Errrr, a cylinder has recorded material on only one side, the
> outside....
>
> Jim O'Briant
> Gilroy, CA
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> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 18:25:58 +0200
> From: Marek Boym <marekboym at gmail.com>
> To: Dick Sleeman <dick at sleeman.nl>, Dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] [Trombone-l] nominate Jack Teagarden for
> NPR's 50 Great Voices
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> Well, maybe not as dedicated as Dick, but i've been listening ot Big T
> for some 50 years now, and still find his playing exhilarating.
>
> On 06/10/2009, Dick Sleeman <dick at sleeman.nl> wrote:
> > Tom wrote a.o.:
> >
> > > I've been absorbed with JT for about 2 solid months now.
> > >
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> > 2 solid months? WOW!
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> > > .... and I can't stop listening to him!!
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> > Back in 1953 I heard a record with JT on it and for the next 56 years I was
> > addicted to listening to him. And will be for the next, eh, 56 years :-)
> >
> > Dick Sleeman
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> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 18:35:03 +0200
> From: Marek Boym <marekboym at gmail.com>
> To: "Ron L'Herault" <lherault at bu.edu>, Dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Which Melody?
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> > Maybe the melody is not blatant in Young's solo but it is there. Is it
> > because I know the tune? Or is it because of where those quick, passing
> > melody notes fall.
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> It's there all right. But rather difficult to hear in the Hawkins' version.
> Cheers
>
> Could it be because the accents he uses fall at familiar
> > points in the melody line? It is probably all of these things that make
> > this such a great solo and not the cacophony that passes for jazz these
> > days.
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> This is another opera altogether.
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> Cheers,
> Marek
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> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 18:48:35 +0200
> From: Marek Boym <marekboym at gmail.com>
> To: Stephen G Barbone <barbonestreet at earthlink.net>,
> Dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Lou Terrasi's Jazz Club in NYC
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> >Roy Eldridge finished his playing career at the "new" Ryan's after that.
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> Yes, I heard Roy Eldridge at Ryan's in 1980. Both he and the band
> sonded bored by what they were playing, and it didn't jell.
>
> during teh intermission, two ladies about Eldridge's age and height
> approached him, talked ablut some concert of his they attende in
> Chicago, and gave him a cassette tape.
>
> The intermission ened - and wow! It was a transformed Eldridge! He
> played his old hits from the swing era, with all the fire one could
> expect. And, at least at first - with no consideration for the band.
> It was Eldridge and the ladies. At first the band did not follow, but
> he didn't care. Eventually the other musicians caught up. A really
> memorable performance.
>
> Cheers
> >
> >
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> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 18:08:08 GMT
> From: "Bert Thompson" <dr_bert at juno.com>
> To: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Endless repetition (was Panama)
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> Hey, guys,
> I'd like to suggest that when replying to a message, you delete all of the previous messages on the subject below (or appended to) the one you are replying to so that one does not have to wade through all previous messages repeated incrementally, thus getting longer and longer and longer and .... This is a particular trial to those of us who have the digest form, as it is about as much fun as wading through waist-deep mud. TIA.
> Bert
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