[Dixielandjazz] Body & Soul
Stan Brager
sbrager at verizon.net
Sat Oct 10 10:26:16 PDT 2009
Richard;
You may also want to compare Hawk's 1939 version of "Body And Soul" with his 1944 reprise recorded for the Apollo label called "Rainbow Mist". Certainly, the arrangement is better. I prefer the 1939 solo but others say 1944 is better. It's on a Delmark CD catalog DD-459. I'd like to read your thoughts about Hawk and "Body And Soul"
Stan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: richard.flecknell at ntlworld.com
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> Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 4:00 AM
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> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Body & Soul
>
> I'm off to study (re-visit) Hawk's solo (don't laugh).
> To see what the fuss was about. It isn't a record I play often, too
> many tracks I'm afraid. Hawks Keynote sessions are my choice.
> Bet if the Hawk were alive he'd be fretting, some Limey okaying his
> work, whatever next.
>
> Richard
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> > 1. What Friends are for ... (richard.flecknell at ntlworld.com)
> > 2. Brian Wood ~ Israel Gorman (richard.flecknell at ntlworld.com)
> > 3. For Steve Barbone ~ Lou Terrasi's
> (richard.flecknell at ntlworld.com)
> > 4. What Friends are for ... (Bill Haesler)
> > 5. Chords (rahberry at comcast.net)
> > 6. Gig - The musical definition-Mark Guest writes (Norman Vickers)
> > 7. E-Mail Tracker--don't get trapped!!--retraction! (Norman
> Vickers)
> > 8. Lou Terrasi's Jazz Club in NYC (Stephen G Barbone)
> > 9. Re: What Friends are for ... (James O'Briant)
> > 10. Re: [Trombone-l] nominate Jack Teagarden for NPR's 50 Great
> > Voices (Marek Boym)
> > 11. Re: Which Melody? (Marek Boym)
> > 12. Re: Lou Terrasi's Jazz Club in NYC (Marek Boym)
> > 13. Endless repetition (was Panama) (Bert Thompson)
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 8:28:39 +0100
> > From: <richard.flecknell at ntlworld.com>
> > To: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> > Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> > Subject: [Dixielandjazz] What Friends are for ...
> > Message-ID:
> > <20091009082839.ZNEL4.152832.root at web08-
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> >
> > So Sheik the holy grail like search is nearing its end, 3 cheers for
> Phil Wilking.
> > I'm sure Sheik and Ginny know now I was only gently pulling their
> legs. My original comments from first post still stand though.
> > Look Sheik, You had Steve Barbone helping you out (hope I chipped in)
> as well and judging him solely by his posts he's far flung from the
> nitty-gritty of esoterical New Orleans debating, collecting and who did
> what.
> > The Bolden cylinder I know was lost ~ what was the song recorded and
> what was on the other side ~ were there any alternative takes? Did
> anyone find Avery's syrup of figs.
> >
> > Steve B ~ Here's one for you how did Benny Carter spin off that
> wonderfully logical solo on I Can't Believe your in love with me
> (Choc.Dandies? c40).
> >
> > Back to lurking soon.
> >
> > Richard.
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 8:49:25 +0100
> > From: <richard.flecknell at ntlworld.com>
> > To: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> > Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> > Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Brian Wood ~ Israel Gorman
> > Message-ID:
> > <20091009084925.V61IF.153186.root at web08-
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> >
> > Brian, you mentioned that Luis Russell was born in Columbia and not
> Panama.
> > You include that in your book "The Song Is Me". While looking that
> fact up I was listening to Israel Gorman w Punch Miller so looking in
> your book I found he was killed in the 65 hurricane. Any further
> details I've always enjoyed these sometimes quirky musicians. Although
> not always accurate in their playing, age may be behind this, the
> sounds they produce are far removed from established methods and I
> enjoy this.
> > Brian you are obviously a Bunk fan. I'm also in the camp, never
> understood the criticism of him. My favourite session, emotional
> charged (especially when reading the liner notes, is his first
> recordings. What a thrill it must have been for them record.
> > I have a soft spot for the white musicians of New Orleans as well I
> like their brand of Dixieland. Just to be clear I mean those that were
> around when Dixieland made the headlines not the brash version often
> heard in that city later on. Any info on Mike Lala other than what's in
> your book.
> >
> > Richard
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 9:17:11 +0100
> > From: <richard.flecknell at ntlworld.com>
> > To: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> > Cc: dixielandjazz-request at ml.islandnet.com, Dixieland Jazz Mailing
> > List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> > Subject: [Dixielandjazz] For Steve Barbone ~ Lou Terrasi's
> > Message-ID:
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> > Any info on this place. Few years back they issued live sessions
> (thought all sessions are live) broadcasted in around 1952. That's
> probably too far back for you to have looked in. One of thse cds was
> Buck Claytonn a untypically, for him, dixieland setting. Boy can he
> play, listen to My Gal Sal. Your'll find on it the well known Buster
> Bailey (not a favourite of mine - too weedy a sound) and Herb Fleming
> (who goes back a bit) and Kenny Kersey.
> > Now if (old chestnut) we're looking to play exciting Jazz study
> Buck's playing here. By the way Eldridge could/did play Dixieland,
> listen to him rip through That's A Plenty (I think late 50s recording).
> Not for the purists but his version brings a smile. I'm sure you know
> this you were there in NY.
> >
> > I like most forms of Jazz but an example of how to approach the older
> forms with a fresh but still respectful glance back, would be Kenny
> Davern (sadly no longer here).
> > Richard
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 19:33:05 +1100
> > From: Bill Haesler <bhaesler at bigpond.net.au>
> > To: richard.flecknell at ntlworld.com, Dixieland Jazz Mailing List
> > <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>, Stephen G Barbone
> > <barbonestreet at earthlink.net>
> > Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> > Subject: [Dixielandjazz] What Friends are for ...
> > Message-ID: <4809924E-7D6D-4F2B-B9CF-01DDC793E219 at bigpond.net.au>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes
> >
> > <richard.flecknell at ntlworld.com> wrote [in part]:
> > > The Bolden cylinder I know was lost ~ what was the song recorded
> and
> > > what was on the other side ~ were there any alternative takes?
> > > Steve B ~ Here's one for you how did Benny Carter spin off that
> > > wonderfully logical solo on I Can't Believe your in love with me
> > > (Choc.Dandies? c40).
> >
> > Dear Richard,
> > Chocolate Dandies for Commodore, New York 25 May 1940.
> > Which take of "I Can't Believe You're In Love With Me"?
> > The fast or slow one?
> > Sorry, I couldn't resist it.
> > Very kind regards,
> > Bill.
> > PS: I prefer the slow version (2nd take).
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:36:57 +0000 (UTC)
> > From: rahberry at comcast.net
> > To: Dixieland Jazz <Dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> > Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> > Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Chords
> > Message-ID:
> >
> <1291331068.1439471255095417148.JavaMail.root at sz0166a.emeryville.
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> >
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> >
> > Listmates:
> > I've been wondering: What do musicians mean when
> > they say they are going to play *New Orleans* chords,
> > rather than *correct* chords?
> > What determines how each type of chords is structured?
> > A puzzle to me.....
> > -- Rae Ann
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.sfraeann.com
> > http://www.youtube.com/sfraeann
> > http://www.craigventresco.com
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 08:51:09 -0500
> > From: "Norman Vickers" <nvickers1 at cox.net>
> > To: "DJML" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>, "Bill Campbell"
> > <penroseiii at cox.net>
> > Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> > Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Gig - The musical definition-Mark Guest
> > writes
> > Message-ID: <000d01ca48e7$90719ad0$b154d070$@net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > To: Musicians and Jazzfans; DJML; Bill Campbell
> >
> > From: Norman
> >
> >
> >
> > Mark Guest, jazz guitarist in Asheville, NC writes.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Mark Guest [mailto:mark.c.guest at gmail.com]
> > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:34 AM
> > To: Norman Vickers
> > Subject: Re: : Gig - The musical definition--Barbone writes
> >
> >
> >
> > "These days, gig can have a wide range of senses, including a fairly
> new one
> > that refers to any short-term paying commission or job; it need not
> be
> > associated with music or performance, but it does preclude permanent
> > full-time employment.'
> >
> > Ugh. Now *that's* depressing!
> >
> > All the best,
> >
> > Mark Guest
> > Jazz Guitar
> > www.markguest.net
> > www.cdbaby.com/cd/markguest
> >
> > Norman writes; the latter underlined portion of Guest's message
> reminds me
> > of this story.
> >
> > Eli Newberger of Boston, world-class tuba player and also pianist is
> a
> > former member of the New Black Eagles jazz band. They had a weekly
> gig at
> > a local pub. He is also a world expert pediatrician on faculty at
> Harvard
> > Medical School and physician at famous Boston Children's Hospital. (
> Because
> > he was a professor, he was able to take time off when the New Black
> Eagles
> > would tour) We had Eli down to Pensacola a couple of times for
> musical
> > events. He stayed over on a Monday and did a "grand rounds"
> conference for
> > the local pediatricians.
> >
> > The point of all this was to say that occasionally Eli would make
> reference
> > to his "day-gig."
> >
> >
> > --end--
> >
> >
> >
> > '
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 09:05:54 -0500
> > From: "Norman Vickers" <nvickers1 at cox.net>
> > To: "DJML" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> > Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> > Subject: [Dixielandjazz] E-Mail Tracker--don't get
> > trapped!!--retraction!
> > Message-ID: <003001ca48e9$a02f8890$e08e99b0$@net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > TO: Musicians & Jazzfans, Pensacola Mencken List & some friends
> >
> > From: Norman Vickers-Jazz Society of Pensacola
> >
> >
> >
> > Retraction! It ain't jazz, but I must clarify!
> >
> >
> >
> > An alert Mark Guest of Asheville, NC actually went to Snopes. See
> the link
> > below. The article I ( innocently) forwarded from Gordon & Rose
> Marie
> > Tyrrell
> >
> > Wasn't from Snopes. To see the whole story, go to the link and see
> what
> > they write. At the bottom of the article , there is a link to the
> original
> > Snopes article about e-mail, so you can see what they ACTUALLY wrote.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks. Mea culpa! Snopes won't let me copy the article, so I had to
> send
> > the link.
> >
> >
> >
> > Norman
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Mark Guest [mailto:mark.c.guest at gmail.com]
> > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:46 AM
> > To: Norman Vickers
> > Subject: Re: E-Mail Tracker--don't get trapped!!
> >
> >
> >
> > heh, heh... While I applaud and share the writer's disdain for chain
> emails,
> > I had to check Snopes as I know that email petitions are accepted by
> the
> > White House, et al. (What they do with our opinions as expressed in
> > petitions is another issue.) Here's what I learned. YOU GOT TRICKED!
> LOL!
> >
> > http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/petition/false.asp
> >
> > All the best,
> >
> > Mark Guest
> > Jazz Guitar
> > www.markguest.net
> > www.cdbaby.com/cd/markguest
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 11:20:43 -0400
> > From: Stephen G Barbone <barbonestreet at earthlink.net>
> > To: DJML <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> > Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> > Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Lou Terrasi's Jazz Club in NYC
> > Message-ID: <932BAD88-72C5-492D-A8B0-2397EDE6020B at earthlink.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
> >
> > Richard Flecknell asked about Lou Terrasi's joint in NYC circa early
> > 1950s. And extolled the virtues of Roy Eldridge's Dixieland style.
> >
> > Hello Richard:
> >
> > No, 1952 was not too early for me regarding visits to jazz joints in
> > NYC. I started visiting them in 1949, being brought there often
> > (underage) on weekends by a neighbor, clarinetist Hank D'Amico.
> >
> > Did I know about Lou Terrasi's? Sure, it was on West 47th Street.
> Some
> > of the old "Dr Jazz" radio broadcasts were live, from there. Guys
> like
> > Buck Clayton, Bobby Hackett, Charlie Shavers, Roy Eldridge, Gene
> > Sedric, Ken Kersey and Vic Dickenson played there. I think some CD
> re-
> > issues of those sessions may be available today.
> >
> > Yes indeed, Roy Eldridge played some hot Dixieland. I remember a
> > series of gigs I played with him in 1961 in Southampton Long Island.
> > One at the Hampton Arts Theatre and others at private parties given
> by
> > the beautiful people in their mansions and beach houses.
> >
> > He finished his playing career at the "new" Ryan's after that. Once,
> > an older female fan came up to him and said something like; "Mr
> > Eldridge, I didn't know you could play Dixieland". He laughed and
> > replied; "That's what I've been playing all my life."
> >
> > Heck of a player, very competitive, he loved to out play other
> > trumpeters on gigs. (eg JATP sessions) They most always (even
> > Gillespie) let him go last because nobody wanted to follow him.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Steve Barbone
> > www.myspace.com/barbonestreetjazzband
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 9
> > Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 08:56:57 -0700
> > From: "James O'Briant" <jobriant at garlic.com>
> > To: "'Dixieland Jazz Mailing List'" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> > Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] What Friends are for ...
> > Message-ID: <006901ca48f9$21aca6a0$4201a8c0 at JimsLaptop>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> >
> > richard.flecknell at ntlworld.com asks:
> >
> > > The Bolden cylinder I know was lost ~ what
> > > was the song recorded and what was on the
> > > other side ...
> >
> > Errrr, a cylinder has recorded material on only one side, the
> > outside....
> >
> > Jim O'Briant
> > Gilroy, CA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 10
> > Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 18:25:58 +0200
> > From: Marek Boym <marekboym at gmail.com>
> > To: Dick Sleeman <dick at sleeman.nl>, Dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> > Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] [Trombone-l] nominate Jack Teagarden for
> > NPR's 50 Great Voices
> > Message-ID:
> > <28fe10560910090925p521177bai9722488d55b6eea3 at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > Well, maybe not as dedicated as Dick, but i've been listening ot Big
> T
> > for some 50 years now, and still find his playing exhilarating.
> >
> > On 06/10/2009, Dick Sleeman <dick at sleeman.nl> wrote:
> > > Tom wrote a.o.:
> > >
> > > > I've been absorbed with JT for about 2 solid months now.
> > > >
> > >
> > > 2 solid months? WOW!
> > >
> > > > .... and I can't stop listening to him!!
> > > >
> > >
> > > Back in 1953 I heard a record with JT on it and for the next 56
> years I was
> > > addicted to listening to him. And will be for the next, eh, 56
> years :-)
> > >
> > > Dick Sleeman
> > >
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 11
> > Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 18:35:03 +0200
> > From: Marek Boym <marekboym at gmail.com>
> > To: "Ron L'Herault" <lherault at bu.edu>, Dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> > Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Which Melody?
> > Message-ID:
> > <28fe10560910090935v59425e5ftfa378eaf04e2ee7d at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > > Maybe the melody is not blatant in Young's solo but it is there.
> Is it
> > > because I know the tune? Or is it because of where those quick,
> passing
> > > melody notes fall.
> >
> > It's there all right. But rather difficult to hear in the Hawkins'
> version.
> > Cheers
> >
> > Could it be because the accents he uses fall at familiar
> > > points in the melody line? It is probably all of these things that
> make
> > > this such a great solo and not the cacophony that passes for jazz
> these
> > > days.
> >
> > This is another opera altogether.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Marek
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 12
> > Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 18:48:35 +0200
> > From: Marek Boym <marekboym at gmail.com>
> > To: Stephen G Barbone <barbonestreet at earthlink.net>,
> > Dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> > Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Lou Terrasi's Jazz Club in NYC
> > Message-ID:
> > <28fe10560910090948x51a12e76p73d4a93f5a48281 at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > >Roy Eldridge finished his playing career at the "new" Ryan's after
> that.
> >
> > Yes, I heard Roy Eldridge at Ryan's in 1980. Both he and the band
> > sonded bored by what they were playing, and it didn't jell.
> >
> > during teh intermission, two ladies about Eldridge's age and height
> > approached him, talked ablut some concert of his they attende in
> > Chicago, and gave him a cassette tape.
> >
> > The intermission ened - and wow! It was a transformed Eldridge! He
> > played his old hits from the swing era, with all the fire one could
> > expect. And, at least at first - with no consideration for the band.
> > It was Eldridge and the ladies. At first the band did not follow,
> but
> > he didn't care. Eventually the other musicians caught up. A really
> > memorable performance.
> >
> > Cheers
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 13
> > Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 18:08:08 GMT
> > From: "Bert Thompson" <dr_bert at juno.com>
> > To: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> > Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> > Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Endless repetition (was Panama)
> > Message-ID: <20091009.110808.7482.0 at webmail17.dca.untd.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
> >
> > Hey, guys,
> > I'd like to suggest that when replying to a message, you delete all
> of the previous messages on the subject below (or appended to) the one
> you are replying to so that one does not have to wade through all
> previous messages repeated incrementally, thus getting longer and
> longer and longer and .... This is a particular trial to those of us
> who have the digest form, as it is about as much fun as wading through
> waist-deep mud. TIA.
> > Bert
> > ____________________________________________________________
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