[Dixielandjazz] Verse To Struttin' With Some BBQ

[Robert Ringwald]

Thanks Dave.

I listened to the link provided.  As Bill Haesler says, there are some back 
beat and stop chorus' but, not on the verse.

Thus, still looking to find out if anyone recorded back beats on the 5th-8th 
measures of the verse before Turk Murphy recorded it in 1950.

--bob Ringwald



 ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Richoux" <tubaman at tubatoast.com>
To: "Bob Ringwald" <rsr at ringwald.com>
Cc: "Dixieland Jazz Mailing List" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Verse To Struttin' With Some BBQ


> Bob and all,
>
> If you listen to the 1927 S W S BBQ ( 
> http://www.redhotjazz.com/Songs/Louie/Hot5/struttin.ram ) both the 
> trombone and cornet solos have the rhythm playing on the  2 and 4 beats 
> ("off beats") and at the very end of the song the whole  band plays mostly 
> the first beat of each measure ("stops.")  Thee are  also two Banjo 
> "breaks" where the other rhythm drops out totally.
>
>  I don't know if the solos are actually on the "chorus" or "verse,"  but 
> that is the way I have always played the song...
>
> Dave Richoux
>
> On May 5, 2009, at 7:00 AM, Robert Ringwald wrote:
>
>> Bill,
>>
>> Below you wrote:
>>
>> (snip)
>>> They are not in the verse of Louis Armstrong's Hot Five rendition  (9 
>>> December 1927) but the stops are.
>>> These Louis stops also occur on the Bob Crosby 1939 World 
>>> transcription recording and the George Wettling 1944 Commodore  session.
>> (snip)
>>
>> I am asking about the back beats on the middle 4-measures of the  verse. 
>> What do you mean by "but the stops are"?  In other words,  what do you 
>> mean by "stops?"
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> --Bob Ringwald
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Haesler" 
>> <bhaesler at bigpond.net.au
>> >
>> To: "Robert Ringwald" <rsr at ringwald.com>
>> Cc: "Dixieland Jazz Mailing List" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 2:26 AM
>> Subject: Verse To Struttin' With Some BBQ
>>
>>
>>>> Still wondering who first recorded the 4-bar back beats on the 5,  6, 
>>>> 7, & 8th measures on the verse to Struttin'.
>>>> Someone said that Turk Murphy did it on a recording in 1952.
>>>> Does anyone know of any earlier recordings that uses those back  beats?
>>>
>>> Dear Bob,
>>> The back beats in the verse of "Struttin' With Some Barbecue" are  on 
>>> Turk Murphy's version recorded for Good Time Jazz on 19 January  1950 
>>> (he did not record it in 1952). Twice. The intro and later  after the 
>>> trombone solo.
>>> He used much the same arrangement 10 years later for the Victor 
>>> session with Ernie Carson on 2 May 1961.
>>> They are not in the verse of Louis Armstrong's Hot Five rendition  (9 
>>> December 1927) but the stops are.
>>> These Louis stops also occur on the Bob Crosby 1939 World 
>>> transcription recording and the George Wettling 1944 Commodore  session.
>>> Lu Watters' used only one break (with cymbal crash) in his several 
>>> renditions in the 1940s and later.
>>> Others in the 40s, including Louis and Jimmy Dorsey, didn't use the 
>>> breaks or back beats, opting instead for either no verse or a  piano 
>>> lead in.
>>> So it would seem that Turk gets the ceegar for the arrangement.
>>> The DJML Turk-o-phile, Mike Logsdon, will be pleased.
>>> 8>)
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Bill.
>>>
>>
>>
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