[Dixielandjazz] Jazz Etymology

Hal Vickery hvickery_80 at msn.com
Wed Mar 25 20:37:19 PDT 2009

Let's try again:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jazz_(word<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jazz_(word>)

More got put into the link than was supposed to for some reason.

Hal Vickery
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  From: Brian Harvey<mailto:brer.rabbit at tiscali.co.uk> 
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  Sadly that Wikipedia page doesn't come up.Brian

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  As Sportin' Life might say, "It ain't necessarily so," at least if Wikipedia
  is to be believed (which is often problematic):
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    Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Jazz Etymology

    For those interested in the more earthy origins of  the word "jazz"
    and other words to describe OKOM, see below; Sourced at:

    This is why those of us who play for the kids should use the word
    "jazz" in our descriptions of the music we play, and why my band uses
    a little bawdy humor to describe what Jazz is.

    Pornography morphing into musical art? Who would have thought that?

    Steve Barbone

    Etymology of Jazz
    JAS,  JASS,  JAZ,  JASCZ  or just plain  JAZZ
    "If the truth was really known about the origins of Jazz, it would
    certainly never be mentioned in polite society."

    The expression arose sometime during the later nineteenth century in
    the better brothels of New Orleans, which provided music and dancing
    as well as sex. The original Jazz band, according to Herbert Asbury's
    The Latin Quarter (1938), was the 'Spasm Band' made up of seven boys,
    aged twelve to fifteen, who first appeared in New Orleans about 1895.
    They advertised themselves as the "Razzy Dazzy Spasm Band."
    In c.1900 (see Jazz Timeline) another band adopted the same billing
    for an appearance at the Haymarket dance hall, it is said the 'Spasms'
    loaded their pockets with rocks and dropped by to protest the
    infringement. This prompted the owner of the hall to repaint his
    advertising placards to read: "Razzy Dazzy Jazzy Band!" If the
    memories of Asbury's sources were correct (he talked to two surviving
    members of the 'Spasms') this represents the word's earliest-known
    appearance in print.
    'Jazz' is not a bad word now, but almost certainly is of extremely low
    origin, referring to copulation before it was applied to music,
    dancing, and nonsense (i.e., all that Jazz). The vulgar word was in
    general currency in dance halls thirty years or more ago" (Clay Smith,
    Etude 9/24). "According to Raven I. McDavid Sr. of Greenville, S.C.,
    the 1919 announcement of the first 'Jazz band' to play in Columbia,
    where he was then serving in the state legislature, inspired feelings
    of terror among the local Baptists such as what might have been
    aroused by a personal appearance of Yahweh. Until that time 'Jazz' had
    never been heard in the Palmetto States except as a verb meaning to
    copulate" (H. L. Mencken, The American Language Raven I. McDavid Jr.
    1963). "She never stepped out of line once in all the years we been
    teamed up. I can't sell her on jazzing the chump now" (William Lindsay
    Gresham, Nightmare Alley 1946).
    'Jazz' probably comes from a Creole or perhaps African word, but exact
    connections have not been proven. The presumed sexual origin is quite
    in accord with the development of many other related words, most
    'boogie-woogie' was used in the nineteenth century by blacks in the
    American South to refer to secondary syphilis.
    'gig' the musician's engagement, probably derives immediately from the
    'gig' that is a dance or party, but 'gig' and 'gigi' (or 'giggy') also
    are old slang terms for the vulva; the first has been dated to the
    seventeenth century.
    'jelly roll' is black slang from the nineteenth century for the vulva,
    with various related meanings, i.e. sexual intercourse, a loving
    woman, a man obsessed with finding same. "What you want?" she asked
    softly. "Jelly roll?'" (Thomas Wolfe, Look Homeward Angel 1929). The
    term probably derives from 'jelly' meaning semen: "Give her cold jelly
    to take up her belly, And once a day swinge her again" (John Fletcher,
    The Begger's Bush 1622). Related expressions include 'jelly bag,'
    referring both to the scrotum and the female genitals; 'jerk [one's]
    jelly,' to masturbate; and 'jelly,' a good-looking woman. 'Jelly roll'
    appears in many blues songs, such as "I Ain't Gonna Give Nobody None
    o' My Jelly Roll," "Nobody in Town Can Bake a Jelly Roll Like Mine,"
    and "Jelly Roll Blues," the last by Ferdinand Joseph La Menthe "Jelly
    Roll" Morton (1885-1941).
    'juke' The modern 'jukebox' was preceded by 'juke house' which was a
    brothel to Southern blacks; the basic term coming from a Gullah word
    meaning disorderly or wicked.
    'swing' The now archaic 'swinge' was used for many years as a synonym
    for copulation ('swive' according to the OED's discreet definition).
    Note the quote from 1622 in 'jelly roll' above. Or as John Dryden put
    it: "And that baggage, Beatrix, how I would swinge her if I
    could" (Enemy's Love 1668). The oldest meaning of both 'swinge' and
    'swing' deal with beating, striking and whipping (i.e., the swing of a
    weapon predates the back and forth swaying of a swing or the rhythmic
    swing of music). For reasons that are not hard to guess, the
    conjunction of violent and sexual senses within the same word is very
    In a more modern sense, Swing has been used describing 'wife-swapping'
    and related activities involving one or more partners of either sex.
    It has been so used from about 1964 or earlier, depending on the
    interpretation one gives to Frank Sinatra's 1956 record album Songs
    for Swinging Lovers.
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