[Dixielandjazz] Dixielandjazz Digest, Vol 73, Issue 35

Tue Jan 20 16:01:13 PST 2009

Does anybody know Laurie Whitlocks Email address? I would like to get it to
wish her a happy birthday.
Skip Neville at megabitt at pacbell.net.
Thanks

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Today's Topics:

   1. FW:  Jazz Jam Ophicleide! (James O'Briant)
   2. Re: Wabash Blues (David Richoux)
   3. Re: Wabash Blues (Dick Sleeman)
   4. Re: Wabash Blues (David Richoux)

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 22:59:40 -0800
From: "James O'Briant" <jobriant at garlic.com>
Subject: [Dixielandjazz] FW:  Jazz Jam Ophicleide!
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Dave Richoux wrote:

> A "West Coast Ophicleide Jazz Trio" is totally 
> theoretical at this point ...

That's a scary thought.

> - they are really difficult instruments to master.

Amen. The fingerings have no sensible pattern to them, the way
flute, clarinet and sax fingerings do.

> ... Jim O'Briant told me he was getting pretty good with his a
few 
> years ago, but I have not heard him play it lately.

I've found that with the Ophicleide, more so than with other
instruments, if you don't play it regularly you get rustier,
faster.  The last time Tony Clements did the San Jose Christmas
TubaFest, I played Ophicleide for most of it, but that was 3-4
years ago.  About the same time I arranged Karl L. King's "A Night
In June" for Ophicleide and Brass Band, and we performed that a
few times, but until last week my Ophicleide hadn't seen the light
of day for more than a year.

I was tempted to take it to the AFCDJS jazz camp, but since I was
playing trombone rather than tuba this year, I figured I didn't
need the distraction....

Jim O'Briant
	Tuba
	Trombone
	Ophicleide
Gilroy, CA

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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 23:30:46 -0800
From: David Richoux <tubaman at tubatoast.com>
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Wabash Blues
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"Wabash" is a great song with a long history, but the problem I have  
with it is in the first ending of the main chorus - when the song is  
played in Eb (as we do in "and That's Jazz") the very important  
passing chord is B Natural. This note is the most 'out-of-tune" note  
for BBb tubas, unless one has a 5 valve horn (and there are not very  
many 5 valve BBb tubas used in jazz bands!)

One has to be very careful to play it just right...

Dave Richoux

On Jan 19, 2009, at 10:01 PM, Bill Haesler wrote:

> billsharp wrote:
>> Wabash blues is traditionally played in Eb.  I once saw a "chorus  
>> patter".  Would anyone please have it, with the chords?
>> Also, Is there a verse?
>
> Dear Bill,
> This is what I have.
> I hope it helps.
> The interludes shown below are the "chorus patter" you mention.
> The Lucille Hegamin version for Arto recorded in Oct 1921 has intro/  
> verse/chorus/interlude 1/chorus.
> The Mamie Smith version for Okeh recorded on 16 Feb 1922 has intro/ 
> verse/chorus interlude 1/interlude 2/chorus.
> Both change the lyrics only slightly to suit their style.
> I also checked other band versions in my collection (Benson Orch of  
> Chicago, Isham Jones Ted Lewis, Troy Floyd, Coon-Sanders Nighthawks,  
> Charleston Chasers) while preparing this thread, but most used a 2- 
> bar intro then chorus/verse/choruses.
> Those that included a vocal used the words to the chorus only.
> There is a good selection of early versions at the Red Hot Jazz Song  
> site:
>   http://www.mainely-jazz.com/rhsongs/songframes.html
> Kind regards,
> Bill.

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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:44:35 +0100
From: "Dick Sleeman" <dick at sleeman.nl>
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Wabash Blues
To: "DJML" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>,	"David Richoux"
	<tubaman at tubatoast.com>
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Hi Dave,

Just play it in the middle register with 1+2!

I have 4 valves and I use 2+4, while I always have the 4th valve slide 
slightly pulled out, to use it instead of 1+3 (C) and 1+2+3 (B).

Regards,

Dick

> "Wabash" is a great song with a long history, but the problem I have  with

> it is in the first ending of the main chorus - when the song is  played in

> Eb (as we do in "and That's Jazz") the very important  passing chord is B 
> Natural. This note is the most 'out-of-tune" note  for BBb tubas, unless 
> one has a 5 valve horn (and there are not very  many 5 valve BBb tubas 
> used in jazz bands!)
>
> One has to be very careful to play it just right...
>
> Dave Richoux

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:29:18 -0800
From: David Richoux <tubaman at tubatoast.com>
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Wabash Blues
To: DJML Jazz <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
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Dick, (and any other tubist)

I have tried that before - I want to be playing the lower range  
note ;-) My usual horn is a Yamaha 621 CC that is extended to BBb so I  
don't have much slide length to fiddle with.

Well, close enough for jazz... back to the Inauguration!

Dave Richoux

On Jan 20, 2009, at 4:44 AM, Dick Sleeman wrote:

> Hi Dave,
>
> Just play it in the middle register with 1+2!
>
> I have 4 valves and I use 2+4, while I always have the 4th valve  
> slide slightly pulled out, to use it instead of 1+3 (C) and 1+2+3 (B).
>
> Regards,
>
> Dick
>
>> "Wabash" is a great song with a long history, but the problem I  
>> have  with it is in the first ending of the main chorus - when the  
>> song is  played in Eb (as we do in "and That's Jazz") the very  
>> important  passing chord is B Natural. This note is the most 'out- 
>> of-tune" note  for BBb tubas, unless one has a 5 valve horn (and  
>> there are not very  many 5 valve BBb tubas used in jazz bands!)
>>
>> One has to be very careful to play it just right...
>>
>> Dave Richoux
>

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