[Dixielandjazz] Jimmy Cleveland

[Marek Boym]

Hello Stan,
I have already elaborated on this subject before, on the list.  I have
heard almost all the boppers (I wish I hadn't) before separating the
wheat from the chaff.  I heard Brubeck and J&K before I even heard of
Bobby Hackett, not to metion Yank Lawson or Omer Simeon.  Once having
separated the two, though, I am not going back for the chaff (despite
the current trend of eating bran).
Cheers

On 04/09/2008, Stan Brager <sbrager at socal.rr.com> wrote:
> Marek;
>
> Thanks for the reply. I understand your position on OKOM... as well as JJ
> Johnson and Jimmy Cleveland. I grew up and began an interest in jazz in Los
> Angeles in the late '40s and early '50s. At that time, I could drive to
> Hollywood to hear Shorty Rogers & the Giants at Sardi's for a set or 2.
> Then, I'd cross the street and listen to the Jack Teagarden Sextet. Another
> short walk would take me to The Haig and a Gerry Mulligan group. Not too far
> away was Jazz City and bebop. Just a bit further away was the Beverly
> Caverns where Kid Ory played the sounds of New Orleans. Venues for big
> bands, Dixieland and modern forms of jazz were all close by. And they were
> all well represented on radio.
>
> These were my kinds of music and judging from some of the responses from
> DJML listers, they also share these kinds of music. So you can understand
> when people talk of 'Our Kind Of Music", it doesn't really make much sense.
> It may be that Radio OKOM has its own definition, yet OKOM is only valid for
> a single individual's taste in jazz.
>
> True, Dixieland is the first word of the DJML and most of us do enjoy
> Dixieland. Still, for most of us, it's only a starting point. If we talk
> about more modern jazz, feel free to delete the posts, inquire about more
> information, or state your dislike. By the way, if you're ever curious about
> a musician, I'd be happy to send you an mp3 of his or her playing.
>
> Stan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marek Boym [mailto:marekboym at gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 3:24 PM
> To: Stan Brager; Dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Jimmy Cleveland
>
> Hello Stan,
> Just to be certain, do you like the music of either or both Johnson and
> > Cleveland
> Not really; that's why I have joined a DIXIELAND mailing list, not a
> bebop or modern mailing list.  I love swing, yes; I listen to Charlie
> Parker and Diz, but then, it's like with BG, who, having said he did
> not like bebop, was confronted with "But you employ Wardell Gray, who
> plays bebop" (quoted from memory), to which he replied "If what
> Wardell plays is bebop, then I like bebop."
> I did not invent the term; radio OKOM defines the term differently,
> and I have taken the term from there.  To them and to me, it conveys
> "traditional" (to me, this includes swing).
> Cheers
>
> On 02/09/2008, Stan Brager <sbrager at socal.rr.com> wrote:
> > Marek;
> >
> > The problem is with the term OKOM ("Our Kind Of Music") which is
> presumptive
> > without having been defined to include specific styles of jazz or other
> > forms of music for that matter. Both JJ Johnson and Jimmy Cleveland are
> > included in "My Kind Of Music" and in Marty's kind of music as well. We
> > agree on, at least, these two jazz musicians.
> >
> > Just to be certain, do you like the music of either or both Johnson and
> > Cleveland?
> >
> > Stan
> > Stan Brager
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Marek Boym [mailto:marekboym at gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 3:20 PM
> > To: Marty Nichols; Dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> > Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Jimmy Cleveland
> >
> > But neither Johnson nor Cleveland played OKOM (the latter - more so).
> > Cheers
> >
> > On 29/08/2008, Marty Nichols <marnichols at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Stan Brager posted:
> > >
> > > Message: 2
> > > Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:12:55 -0700
> > > From: "Stan Brager" <sbrager at socal.rr.com>
> > > Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Jimmy Cleaveland
> > > To: "DJML" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>,    <Duke-lym at concordia.ca>
> > > Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> > > Message-ID: <001601c90881$4b7063f0$e2512bd0$@rr.com>
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> > >
> > > According to his Wiki, trombonist Jimmy Cleveland died last Saturday -
> > > August 23, 2008. A marvelous bop trombonists with great chops capable of
> > > covering the entire range of the horn with apparent ease.
> > >
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Cleveland
> > >
> > > Stan
> > > Stan Brager
> > >
> > > In my book Jimmy Cleveland is probably the most "unsung hero of the
> > trombone" , and this among many, many other giants of the trombone who get
> > little recognition for their efforts in jazz. I still feel pain when I
> > remember that the Ken Burns jazz thing (what was it called?) omitted
> mention
> > of the great J. J. Johnson except for a photo of J.J. in a session with
> > Miles Davis. But that is off the subject; Jimmy Cleveland was another
> great
> > that too few got a chance to hear IMO.
> > >
> > > Marty Nichols
> > > http://www.esnips.com/web/jazztrombone
> > >
> > >
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