[Dixielandjazz] Pointless Definitions

[Marek Boym]

Sure sounds like the Victor, albeir with inferior sound!
It's a French issue, the exact title being "Autour avec Sydney Bechet
- Concerts Public," Delta UM 3400.  The title in question is The Sheik
of Araby, and it is described as "enregistrement public datant de 1945
a New York" (not being a French speaker I still understand that it
means "a public recording in New York dating to 1945 "), whereas the
date of the Victor is April 18, 1941.
One might have thought it was a pirate issued, except that the
importer was the same company that imported (and pressed in Israel as
well) RCA Victor records!
And no, there's no applause.
The LP also includes "Darktown Strutters Ball" by Sydney (sic)  Bechet
and His Bluenote (sic) Jazzmen, recorded October 12, 1945, with
personnel identical to that of Art Hodes Hot Five, recorded on the
same date, and apparently the same, too.
I'm afraid all that confounds the issue.
Anyway, there are some tracks actually recorded live, although, I'm
afraid, most tracks come from Rudi Blesh's "This Is Jazz" broadcasts.
Cheers,
Marek

On 09/07/2008, Stan Brager <sbrager at socal.rr.com> wrote:
> That's intriguing, Marek. Usually, a "live" session means that it was
> recorded during a concert as opposed to a studio recording even when guests
> are invited (the Buck Clayton sessions for Columbia in the mid-50's come to
> mind).
>
> Does your LP include the Victor One Man Band recording or is it something
> else?
>
> Puzzled in California;
>
> Stan
>
> PS: By the way, I appreciate the humor of your description of a "One Man
> Band".
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marek Boym [mailto:marekboym at gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 9:08 AM
> To: Stan Brager; Dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Pointless Definitions
>
> Hello Stan,
> Although I've seen the Sidney Bechet's  One Man Band described as
> "musical onanism," it's still worth hearing - Bechet was Bechet.  BTW,
> I have an LP titled "Sidney Bechet - Live Sessions," on which the
> Sidney Bechet's One Man Band also appears.  So there.
> Cheers
>
> On 08/07/2008, Stan Brager <sbrager at socal.rr.com> wrote:
> > Marek;
> >
> > It seems that you've found the smallest possible orchestra. Sidney
> Bechet's
> > One Man Band doesn't qualify inasmuch as there was only a single
> > instrumentalist.
> >
> > I wish I had a prize to award you ;-).
> >
> > Stan
> > Stan Brager
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Marek Boym [mailto:marekboym at gmail.com]
> > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 2:50 PM
> > To: Stan Brager; Dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> > Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Pointless Definitions
> >
> > How about "Dick Wellstood and His Famous Orchestra Featuring Kenny
> Davern?"
> > In fact, it's a duo.
> > Cheers
> >
> >
> > On 07/07/2008, Stan Brager <sbrager at socal.rr.com> wrote:
> > > Ken;
> > >
> > > Having seen records on which a trio of instrumentalists were described
> as
> > an
> > > orchestra, I googled for the definition and found:
> > >
> > > Orchestra:
> > >    In modern times, this is the term which signifies a wide variety of
> > > instrumental ensembles.
> > >
> > > This was taken from http://tinyurl.com/64zrgr which says that this
> > > definition comes from the "The New Grove Dictionary of Music and
> > Musicians"
> > > published in 1980.
> > >
> > > Need we say more?
> > >
> > > Stan
> > > Stan Brager
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Ken Mathieson [mailto:ken at kenmath.free-online.co.uk]
> > > Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 2:54 PM
> > > To: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List
> > > Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List
> > > Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Pointless Definitions
> > >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > The current "Hot Dance Music" bun-fight kind of underlines the
> > pointlessness
> > > of definitions. Was it Duke or Louis who offered this as a definition of
> > > Jazz? "It's just another way of playing music." On the face of it not a
> > very
> > > helpful definition, but in retrospect as good as any. Also, how is
> > > "orchestra" defined? I was taken to task for calling my band the Classic
> > > Jazz Orchestra when there are only eight of us, on the basis that
> bookers
> > > and the public would expect no less than seventeen, and maybe more,
> > players.
> > > The only definition of orchestra that makes sense to me "is a group of
> > > musicians who play from orchestrations," but if the solos are
> improvised,
> > > what should it be called? Oh sh*t, does that mean I've got a Hot Dance
> > Band?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Ken Mathieson
> > >
> > > www.classicjazzorchestra.org.uk
> > >
> > >
> > >
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