[Dixielandjazz] Dixielandjazz Digest, Vol 62, Issue 16
ron fink
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Thu Feb 7 14:59:17 PST 2008
Re. Shiner Beer in Texas. My 2 cents is that the Shiner Black Lager, is the best they make? Tasted dark beers in Germany (dunkel) and this Black Lager is can "hold its own".
Ron
beer connoisseur in Texas
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> 1. Playing free (Stephen G Barbone)
> 2. Cruise Crew Musicians (Gluetje1 at aol.com)
> 3. Fresno Mardi Gras (Don Robertson)
> 4. Re: Beer (with Jazz content) (Phil Pospychala)
> 5. Re: BEER (Phil Pospychala)
> 6. Re: Beer (Phil Pospychala)
> 7. Re: Beer (with Jazz content) (Phil Pospychala)
> 8. Swing Dancers love to dance to OKOM (Stephen G Barbone)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 10:17:28 -0500
>From: Stephen G Barbone <barbonestreet at earthlink.net>
>Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Playing free
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>> "Judy Eames" <jude at judyeames.co.uk> wrote (polite snip)
>>
>>
>> John (Wilder) wrote
>>
>> If you can write so clearly when "groggy" you must be superhuman
>> when you're
>> fully awake :-)
>>
>> Thank you for your perspective.
>>
>> I can guess that Steve and possibly one or two others will pick out
>> the
>> following as justification for further "deriding" :
>>
>>> before the Dixieland festivals at sea began,
>>> he could often book Dixie bands on the ships for good money. Since
>>> the
>>> festivals have proliferated on the ships, he has not been able to
>>> book
>>> even
>>> one Dixie band direct with the cruise line, as they just tell him
>>> that if
>>> they need a Dixie band they'll just wait for a festival at sea and
>>> then
>>> ask
>>> one of the performing bands to do and "extra" concert or two for
>>> free for
>>> the other passengers.
>
>No need to deride, Jude. I'm just relieved that someone finally posted
>the reality of the business of music and how the freebie folks ruin
>it. As for justification, shoot, anyone can justify anything including
>playing free if they have an interest involved. Bottom line is that
>playing free is fine IMO as long as one doesn't screw up the music
>market. The reverse? . . . well you all know how I feel about that.
>
>BTW: "Lurker" John Wilder is a kick ass jazz pianist living on the
>Left Coast. I had the pleasure of working with him in a land far away
>a few years ago and was amazed at his talent and performance. He is a
>consummate, professional IMO.
>
>Cheers,
>Steve Barbone
>
>
>
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>Message: 2
>Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 11:05:40 EST
>From: Gluetje1 at aol.com
>Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Cruise Crew Musicians
>To: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
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>Generally speaking I am very impressed with the caliber of musicianship of
>those employed by the cruise lines. Speculate that it might be a very good
>way for an unattached, free-to-roam younger individual to get some chops.
>Would not think it would hold much appeal as a career choice though. Some are
>apparently employed to provide a specific genre, example: strictly classical.
>Others expected to wear many different hats. A couple of years ago on a
>generic trans-atlantic cruise, the ship's program specified a Dixie Jazz group in
>one of the lounges at cocktail hour. It was the crew musicians complete
>with fake books--my recall is clarinet, tenor sax, trumpet, piano, and electric
>bass. They were frustrated and working hard to play what they thought would
>sound like Dixie, but just could not stay away from trying to bop--especially
>the piano & clarinet. Then the train would be veering off the track, the
>discomfort of one or more of the group obvious, and they would lurch back--I'm
>talking about tunes of the Bill Bailey type. But I bet there were less than
>a dozen of in the audience to hear them and I don't think the audience would
>have been any greater had they been a premier Dixie Band. Like I said it
>was a generic cruise, maybe majority European & Candadian passener list, very
>diverse passenger age range.
>
>The marketing plan of some major cruise lines is almost totally refocused on
>today's young people and young families. So the musician who wants to work
>for the cruise lines needs to consider that in applying. It's a smart move
>on the part of the cruise lines since it is much less labor intensive and
>therefore far less expensive to give the young a cruise experience they will
>value than it is the aged. We seniors are often far more demanding, many of us
>need ample extra assistance, etc. My point is we are more expensive to
>provide a cruise experience for.
>
>I did my first cruise out of NYC on Italian lines in 1965. An elegant
>experience! From 1967 until 1991--no cruises. 1991 still resembled the '60's
>cruises. Cruises in this decade are in the main (on the bounding main) a very
>different thing. Holland American whom the agent uses for JazzSea making some
>choices that will keep them more in that "old" mold. Few facts--mostly my
>opinions.
>Ginny
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>Message: 3
>Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 08:38:34 -0800
>From: Don Robertson <jdrobertson at att.net>
>Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Fresno Mardi Gras
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>Anyone beside Fr. Mike and myself going to Fresno?
>
>Don Robertson
>Napa, CA
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>Message: 4
>Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 11:19:05 -0600
>From: Phil Pospychala <bixguy at hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Beer (with Jazz content)
>To: Marek Boym <marekboym at gmail.com>
>Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
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>Schlitz had some bad commercials about taking one's "gusto" away in the 1980s. Then a brewing union stopped production in Milwaukee and the brewery said they'd go out of business unless the union made concessions. Like a good underworld union, they said no. Schlitz then went belly-up. In the 1950s Schlitz was #1 in the USA. A-B was #2. By the 70s, Schlitz was still #2 and Anheuser-Busch was #1 and stayed there.
>
>Beside bad commercials and union problems, Schlitz changed their brewing formula in the 1980s (maybe late 70s) and tried to go back to the original recipe. The kiss of death! Hard to recapture customers at that point.
>
>Stroh's, Pabst and Miller might all have owned the label rights since that time. Stroh's bought Schlitz for the Old Milwaukee label but Stroh's went out of business not long after leaving Detroit. Stroh's continued to market Schlitz, however, until they died.
>
>Pabst has Miller brew their beers and either they or Miller now own Schlitz. Miller has fine equipment in Milwaukee and there has been a modest surge in Schlitz sales during recent years. Never will be a 15-20 million barrel operation again, but, better than nothing.
>
>As an aside, if a certain European brewery is able to buy A-B, there will be no American national brand left that is owned by Americans. Miller is merging with Coors who is owned by a Canadian outfit and I don't know where South African Brewing (Schlitz parent) will fit in. Pabst is doing fairly well but now has their beers contract brewed and they are no longer considered national.
>
>I know this shit because I collect Chicago post-pro (after 1933) brewery advertising of all types from cans to neon signs and everything in between. The last commercial Chicago brewery was the second Peter Hand's (#1 brewed Meister Brau) in business from 1973 to 1978. #2 brewed Old Chicago brand beer. Chicago Brewing Company and Goose Island came along +15 years later as a micro and brew pub, originally.
>
>The first Peter Hand's Brewery Company (sold to Miller in the early 70s.) Miller took Meister and Meister Brau Draft labels but really wanted the Meister Brau Lite brand, originally brewed by Peter Hand's in the 1960s and aimed at women. It never took off. Women weren't ready for low calories and weight reducing ideas off the liquor store shelf, let alone at a bar. Miller masterfully aimed Lite at men and within a few years in the 70s had an annual 6 million barrel winner. Now, they struggle against Bud Light and Coors Light for 1, 2, 3 pecking order among light beers. Actually, the only lager left in the top 4 is A-B Budweiser. The other three spots are the light beer brands just mentioned. Barrel numbers are way up there since the 70s, as well.
>
>More weird information: For 30 years (1933-63) Chicago had more breweries than any other city in the USA. Hard to believe? One of the best kept secrets in all of trivia land. But, that's another story. By the way, Miller did not want the Chicago Meister Brau plant. That's how Fred Huber from Monroe, WI came in and began brewing Old Chicago for five years from 1973 to 1978.> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 20:04:46 +0200> From: marekboym at gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Beer (with Jazz content)> CC: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com> To: bixguy at hotmail.com> > Was better than some of the stuff Americans drink now!> Whatever happened to Schlitz? In 1980, when I first visited in the> US, it was the most common one, and, frankly, better than most of the> current common brands. And its "Classic" (or Special, I am not sure> after all thes years), was really excellent (and sold only in> bottles).> That's what I ordered in the jazz places in New York and New Orleans.> cheers> > On 05/02/2008,
> George Thurmond <gthurmond at stx.rr.com> wrote:> >> >> > Way back two or three or more decades ago beer was brewed right> > down in the French Quarter, about two blocks off Canal and between> > Bourbon and Royal. It was the Dixie brand, and had the wonderful site> > of being across the street from an oyster bar. The oysters on the half> > shell were big and sumptuous, but the beer, frankly, was not that great.> > The oyster bar was the place to be in the wee morning hours on the way> > to the room after an evening in the OLD Quarter. (OLD Quarter, i.e.,> > George Lewis's band at the Morocco, Sharkey and the Original Dukes at> > the Famous Door, Tony Almerico's boys at the Parisian Room, Celestin and> > Picou at the Paddock, etc.)> >> > George Thurmond> >> >> > _______________________________________________> > To unsubscribe or change your e-mail preferences for the Dixieland Jazz Mailing list, or to find the online archives, please visit:> >> >
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>Message: 5
>Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 11:31:15 -0600
>From: Phil Pospychala <bixguy at hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] BEER
>To: Marek Boym <marekboym at gmail.com>
>Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
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>Does anyone know Chicago had more breweries in the USA for 30 years (1933-63) than any other city? Believe it or no, as they say in the old neighborhood. I collect Chicago post-pro brewery advertising from cans to neons and everything in between. The last commercial Chicago first generation brewer went out of business in 1978. Well, sort of. Fred Huber came down from Monroe, WI and brewed Old Chicago in the old Peter Hand Meister Brau plant from 1973 to 1978. The first Peter Hand (Meister Brau) sold out to Miller in the early 70s and Miller wanted only the Meister Brau Lite brand although they also acquired Meister Brau and Meister Brau Draft labels, as well. They did not want the plant. In three years Miller had Lite up to 6 million barrels, annually, and the rest is history. They aimed Lite at men and not women. Women in the 60s were not ready for low calorie products on liquor store shelves, let alone in bars. Meister Brau Lite had the right idea but the wrong marketing
> idea. Of course, now, women guzzle down lite or light beers like water.> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 20:00:40 +0200> From: marekboym at gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] BEER> CC: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com> To: bixguy at hotmail.com> > Sam Adams itself HAS several splendid brews, in addition to its> excellent Boston Lager: Black Lager, Honey Porter, Boston ale and> Brown Ale (to my palate - much better than its better known Newcastle> cousin). It also has seasonal beers, but so far none has reached> Israel). And yes, there are other goo American beers, such as> Killian's Red or Anchor Steam, to mention just a few, and some> mcrobrewery varieties.> Nevertheless, in general, " American Beer tastes like piss," as> some0ne has written on this list.> Do you know what Bud and a couple making love in a canoe have in common?> Having said all that, i'm going to drink a bottle of Kriek and listen> to some jazz!> Cheers,> Marek> R. CALDER <serapion at btinternet.com> wrote:> > Sam Adams and some
> other splendid brews, I remember one I had at Birdland several years ago, are evidence that universal condemnation of United Sates beers is defamatory of some.> > I will admit that the first American beers I drank were watery, but at the time I was too young to be drinking them legally, and Henry Allen's name was on the board outside the Metropole in New York.> > I will grant that some British beers merit the scorn of Thommo the demon fast bowler of yore, not least a now custard-topped brew under a formerly noble name, a pint of which lost ichor the late Al Grey much relished in my company, but not all. Perhaps the quality of Sam Adams could be a harbinger of a less parochial and narrow sense of the outside world than currently obtains in some areas of the USA?> > Give good beer its due! Cheers! Prost! Skol!> >> >> > ---------------------------------> > Support the World Aids Awareness campaign this month with Yahoo! for Good> > _______________________________________________> > To
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>Message: 6
>Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 11:55:16 -0600
>From: Phil Pospychala <bixguy at hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Beer
>To: Dave Stoddard <dhs2 at peoplepc.com>
>Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
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>You know, Shiner got saved because they were bought by the Mexican fellow who imports Corona in the southwest. He pumped in money on production improvements and actually got Shiner bock on airplanes! Can't remember the major line or lines. We also like Shiner's regular lager. However, the bock is the only label easily available out here in Chicagoland.> From: dhs2 at peoplepc.com> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 14:23:21 -0600> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Beer> CC: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com> To: bixguy at hotmail.com> > Dear Listers:> > Here in Central Texas we are fortunate to be recipients of the Spoetzl Brewery in Shiner, TX. Their most famous beer is Shiner Bock, a very passable dark beer. It is available in most Central Texas watering holes; hence, one need not drink watery lagers even if more exotic beers are not available.> > If you ever visit Austin, go to the Draft House on Medical Parkway. They are a microbrewery and serve up a cornucopia of fresh beers, some of which will
> flatten you in a few glasses. While you are in Austin, be sure to look up Dan Augustine. He combines expertise in beer and traditional jazz, two critical subjects!> > Regards,> Dave Stoddard> _______________________________________________> To unsubscribe or change your e-mail preferences for the Dixieland Jazz Mailing list, or to find the online archives, please visit:> > http://ml.islandnet.com/mailman/listinfo/dixielandjazz> > > > Dixielandjazz mailing list> Dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
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>Message: 7
>Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 11:58:24 -0600
>From: Phil Pospychala <bixguy at hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Beer (with Jazz content)
>To: <tony.davis at waitrose.com>
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>The Dixie brewery had a 4 foot water line from Katrina. We don't think they'll ever reopen. Jaz was a big brewery in NO. Now rehabbed into something else but may have a bar with many brews available. FAlstaff had a plant next to the jail down there. The building may still be standing. Regal was another brewer. All gone.> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 18:25:44 +0000> From: tony at tony-davis.co.uk> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Beer (with Jazz content)> CC: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com> To: bixguy at hotmail.com> > The brewing tradition lives on in the French Quarter - we found some> great beers here http://www.crescentcitybrewhouse.com/ in 2006.> > Tony Davis.> > George Thurmond wrote:> > > > Way back two or three or more decades ago beer was brewed right> > down in the French Quarter, about two blocks off Canal and between> > Bourbon and Royal. It was the Dixie brand, and had the wonderful site> > of being across the street from an oyster bar. The oysters on the half> > shell were big and
> sumptuous, but the beer, frankly, was not that great.> > The oyster bar was the place to be in the wee morning hours on the way> > to the room after an evening in the OLD Quarter. (OLD Quarter, i.e.,> > George Lewis's band at the Morocco, Sharkey and the Original Dukes at> > the Famous Door, Tony Almerico's boys at the Parisian Room, Celestin and> > Picou at the Paddock, etc.)> > > > George Thurmond> > > > > _______________________________________________> To unsubscribe or change your e-mail preferences for the Dixieland Jazz Mailing list, or to find the online archives, please visit:> > http://ml.islandnet.com/mailman/listinfo/dixielandjazz> > > > Dixielandjazz mailing list> Dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
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>Message: 8
>Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 13:37:14 -0500
>From: Stephen G Barbone <barbonestreet at earthlink.net>
>Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Swing Dancers love to dance to OKOM
>To: DJML <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
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>Swing Dancers love OKOM and OKOM loves Swing Dancers. See below
>correspondence from a Swing Dancer who follows our band. (The photo
>jpg is not attached but I will send it off list to those interested)
>
>Cheers,
>Steve Barbone
>
>Hey Paul: (just sent)
>
>We had a blast too. See my Photo jpg of Sidney & Katherine, plus you
>and Lindsay in the background from the Fat Tuesday performance at Iron
>Hill Brewery. Thank you for being there. I sure had fun hugging all
>the girls during and after the event. All of us were perspiring
>mightily. <grin> You guys were just great and you make us old folks
>feel young.
>
>The magazine I suggested was "The American Rag"
>
>Click on : http://www.americanrag.com/
>
>Once there click on the "World of Festival Listings! (and Jazz
>Cruises)" for a small snippet of 2008 festivals and events that swing
>dancers all over the USA may wish to attend.
>
>You can subscribe to it on that page also and I think it is well worth
>it to get the COMPLETE listing of festivals/cruises/events every
>month. There are a ton of them that welcome swing dancers and some
>great bands playing them all over the country.(and world) Price for
>the "Rag" is VERY REASONABLE.
>
>For Pee Wee Russell Memorial Stomp Info see: http://www.njjs.org/
>Definitely a must attend event for you guys as you can see from the
>picture and the band line-up. You'll have a blast.
>
>For my schedule see: http://www.barbonestreet.com/schedule.html
>
>I will keep you updated about our special Swing Dance events, but
>meanwhile, you are welcome to come to all of our events. Even the
>"private"ones. Just let me know in advance so I can clear it with
>clients.
>Like our January Church gig when you had them dancing in the
>Aisles . . . The Reverend just loved it and invited us all back again
>in 2009 to bury the year 2008.
>
>Cheers,
>Steve
>
>
>On Feb 7, 2008, at 10:12 AM, Paul Salter wrote:
>> Hey Steve, (sent today)
>>
>> You guys were awesome again on Tuesday. The dancers all had such a
>> great time. Please let me know when you guys are playing again.
>>
>> On another note, a long time ago you told me about a jazz newsletter
>> that gave info on dixieland jazz festivals like the Pee Wee Russel
>> stomp event in North Jersey. . If you know what I'm talking about,
>> I would really like to find out more about that. I hope all is well.
>>
>> See you guys soon,
>> Paul
>>
>> Stephen G Barbone <barbonestreet at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Hey Paul: (sent last week)
>>
>> West Chester PA is sponsoring a "Swinging Thursday Night Out" in the
>> center of town, on Gay Street the first Thursday of June. June 5th to
>> be exact. From 6:30 PM to 9:30 PM. They'll close off a couple of
>> blocks of Gay Street. Barbone Street will be one of the bands and
>> Melissa Martin and The Mighty Rhythm Kings will be the other band.
>> We'll be at opposite ends of the closed off area. The event, held the
>> past couple of years, draws several thousand people if the weather is
>> good.
>>
>> I asked the Recreation Department if they would mind dancing in the
>> streets and they said they'd love to see it. So if you are not busy,
>> and of a mind to dance in the streets, come on down. You are very
>> welcome.
>>
>> In any event, it is a neat, relaxed night in West Chester. The
>> restaurants will set tables out etc., and it is just a nice evening on
>> the street. See you Fat Tuesday at Iron Hill Brewery in West Chester.
>
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