[Dixielandjazz] Whadya mean, you can't hear it??

[Hal Vickery]

I just had my first chance to listen to the version Mike sent.  It's far
cleaner than any version I've ever heard, and I have to admit I hear one
possibility that I'm willing to say Venuti might have slipped something past
folks at Victor:  second chorus, first "sailor."  The rest I can't say I
hear it.

I will say something about the very end.  I distinctly hear an "l" is
sailor, not a "t" (or more correctly a double "t").  

Here's an alternative theory.  I don't hear Venuti until the last "sailor"
in the first chorus.  Until then "sailor" is sung as two dotted quarter
notes.  On that last one Venuti sings it syncopaded: eighth note followed by
a quarter note tied to a dotted quarter note.

He's also (as Freeman described it) singing like a tough sailor, i.e.
pronouncing his "s" more like an "sh".  (Note that "says" sounds more like
"shezh" when Venuti shings...er...sings it.

Now, the only eye-witness account I've read in the past few days (and it
only seems like a couple of days to me, and not a week, but maybe that's
because I spent four days in the hospital a couple of weeks ago, and that
seemed like a year) was Freeman's.  He thinks it's at the end (where I hear
an "l" in "sailor," and says Venuti sang "**** ass," which nobody here
thinks he sang.  

Oh, well, I'll keep listening, if only for Bix, Benny, and Bud.  Which
reminds me:  Bix's tone was definitely shot to hell by the time he made this
recording, but I love the solo.

I just thought of something!  I remember reading another account from a
participant.  In high school I read "The Kingdom of Swing" which was ghost
written for Benny Goodman by Irving Kolodin.  I remember that Goodman (of
Kolodin) talks about the Sousa trombone and piccolo trills he and TD came up
with.  You'd think my teenage mind would have picked up on any mention of
Venuti putting one over on the people at Victor, but I don't.

Hal Vickery

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[mailto:dixielandjazz-bounces at ml.islandnet.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
Ringwald
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 7:32 PM
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Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Whadya mean, you can't hear it??


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Haesler" <bhaesler at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Bob Ringwald" <robert at ringwald.com>
Cc: "Dixieland Jazz Mailing List" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Whadya mean, you can't hear it??


> eupher dude wrote:
>> Bob, if anyone could hear "shithead" at the end of that tune (yes, the 
>> one on RHJA), it should be you!  ;)
>> I just listened to it there, also. It's there, I promise you.
>
> So did I, thinking that maybe the Red Hot Jazz site version had faded it 
> out.
> Yes. It's there, same as all the versions I have.
> (And to answer an earlier query. There was only that one take issued.)
> But what amazes me regarding this popular thread started by Hal Vickery 
> (which feels like it has been running for a week, but it's only about 3 
> days) is that I can't recall anyone praising the short hot solos by Bix, 
> BG and Bud Freeman.
> Incredible.
> Kind regards,
> Bill.



Yes, meant to comment on the great hot solos.

But I still say I hear "shitter."

--Bob Ringwald



> PS re another recent subject:
> For what it's worth, my experienced jazz ears, years ago, told me that it 
> is Tommy Dorsey on the Blind Willie Dunn session, not King Oliver.
>
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