[Dixielandjazz] Getting out more - Was Why Listen To Live Music

[Marek Boym]

Hello Steve,
Something must be wrong with me - i've cleaned my desk and I agree with you!
Cheers
And do not forget - get out more and SUPPORT LIVE JAZZ (something I
did tonight - just back from a restaurant where my friends and I (and
a lot of others)  heard Swing de Gitanes).

On 01/11/2007, Steve Barbone <barbonestreet at earthlink.net> wrote:
> "Robert S. Ringwald" <robert at ringwald.com>
>
> Steve Barbone wrote
>
> >I am somewhat abashed that peer musicians either do not agree, or have not
> >experienced the Zen of what you say. Perhaps they need to get out more also.
>
> >Bob then wrote:
> > Steve, I presume that you are referring to the current thread of editing
> > recordings?
>
> No, wrong presumption. Not al all referring to that thread. Just saying IMO,
> live music is more exciting than recorded and/or computerized music and that
> fans/bands don't get out much to hear/play it these days for one reason or
> another.
> >
> > If so, no one who has participated in the current discussion has indicated
> > that a recorded session in a studio is musically better than a live
> > performance onstage.  That is certainly not what I have said and I don't
> > believe that Kash said it either.
> >
> > So, I don't think that any of us should "Get out more."
>
> See above, not referring to that subject or you or Kash. The "get out more"
> quote does not apply to either of you. Those who don't get out much, both
> fans and bands, know who they are.
>
> > What we are saying, and apparently you have missed the point, is that with a
> > little editing, in a studio or live performance, the recording can be
> > improved.
>
> Didn't miss the point. I heard your opinions and respected them. It is how
> much editing that is the question. Even on my own CDs, while we do not edit
> musical mistakes out, we have edited Musician's expletives out. Like the
> time one of us inadvertently knocked over a glass of Gin in the middle of a
> take and said M F quite audibly. Naturally, that was deleted since some very
> young people would have heard it, given our fan base.
>
> > Perhaps it might not even involve fixing a note.  It just may be balancing
> > the band better, adding reverb or doing something to get rid of some of the
> > room echo.
>
> I quite agree. In fact I love the re-dos of classic jazz records that
> improve the sound quality. I have no problem with that as long as they don't
> edit out the musical errors and/or make the band sound like something it
> wasn't.
>
> > There are many things that can be done to a recording to make it for better
> > listening.
>
> Agree with that.
>
> > And, yes, fixing a note can be one of them.
>
> That's where we differ. Personally, I would do another take rather than
> alter what was played. Basically because I believe the band should sound
> like what it actually played at the time. IMO too many bands, not yours or
> Kash's, sound much better on records because they alter what they played to
> something they could never do live, in real time performance. That's what I
> object to and it is a personal choice, nothing more. I'll give you fixing
> one note, but then what about 2, or 3, or 25, etc.
>
> My CDs are one take, for the most part. Rarely a retake. We do not edit
> mistakes out. That's just the way I feel about it. I want folks who see us
> live to hear a band that sounds better than what we've recorded in studio.
> Not the other way around. And I think most of the classic bands, Armstrong,
> Goodman, Shaw, Webb, Condon, Murphy, Watters, et al, all sounded better live
> than on record. (Guessing on Webb because I never saw him live)
>
> Like Jack Maheu said of the Condon records. (Sudhalter's Book, page 299)
> "The records? Yeah, some of them capture it a bit - but you should have
> heard what it sounded it live. You wouldn't have believed your ears. It was
> the most emotionally powerful kind of jazz I've ever heard. But that's gone
> now." Those of us who saw that band and some of the others live, know
> exactly what he is talking about.
>
> All I was saying to Nancie and others on the list who read my post is that
> fans and bands should get out more to hear, and/or play, live music as
> opposed to listening to canned music or computer music. It was not about the
> points you brought up. (answered here only because of your presumption)
>
> There are 30,000,000 people in the USA over 65. What an opportunity to be
> heard live, for those bands that play music these people adore.
>
> Cheers,
> Steve Barbone
>
>
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