[Dixielandjazz] Eighty Six

[Ivor Jones]

Dear Edwin,

I presume that you mean the Pearly Kings and Queens, who sewed sequins and 
buttons on their their 'Whistles' and their 'Round the houses'. I don't 
think that they sewed any on their 'Dickys' or their 'Peckhams'. and it 
would be silly to sew them on their 'Almonds', wouldn't it, they wouldn't be 
able to get their 'De la Rues´' on and they would hurt their ' Plates' when 
they went for a 'Ball'. I hope that explains things better.
The part of London they used to inhabit was in East London, and those wot 
lived in East London within the sound of Bow Bells was called Cockney, like 
wot I am.
That endith your socialogical lesson for today

Ivor, a Welsh Cockney


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "EDWIN COLTRIN" <boreda at sbcglobal.net>
To: "iVOR jONES" <BANJONES at sapo.pt>
Cc: "Dixieland Jazz Mailing List" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 3:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Eighty Six


> Rhyming like the Button People from a part of London.
>
>  Slainte
>
>  Ye auldie moulddy fygge
>
>  Ed ( Never been 86'd) Coltrin
>
> Bill Haesler <bhaesler at bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>  Dear friends,
> I have been absorbing with interest all the explanations for the term
> "86ed" but, having asked the initial question, and as a researcher, I
> am still not convinced by the guesses so far.
> Most seem to be too localised in that they refer to individual state
> codes, clubs, etc.
> Listmate Ivor Jones (he from Portugal and Good Time Jazz Band fame) and
> I have been discussing the subject off-list and he suggested
> rhyming-slang.
> But do Americans use it like Londoners (the ones from England) and
> Aussies do?
> So I finally checked my trusty companion 'The Cassell Dictionary of
> Slang' by Jonathon Green [1998. Cassell, London] and prefer his more
> logical, wide-ranging definition:
>
> Eighty six. v. 1 [1960s+] to throw out, to get rid of. [rhy. sl. eighty
> six = NIX v.: orig. restaurant and bar use, indicating that the supply
> of an item is exhausted or that a customer is not to be served]
>
> Kind regards,
> Bill.
>
>
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