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> 3. Re: Play for pay! (Larry Walton Entertainment - St.
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> 4. FW: New Hot Jazz Channel show now live
>at www.radiojazz.co.uk
> (brian at radiojazz.co.uk)
> 5. Playing for free (Steve Barbone)
> 6. Copyright (Robert S. Ringwald)
> 7. Re: Copyright (Mike)
> 8. Re: Young Jazz Players (Bill Biffle)
> 9. Re: Playing for free (Larry Walton Entertainment -
>St. Louis)
> 10. Re: Plastic Horns - Was Grafton Sax
> (Larry Walton Entertainment - St. Louis)
> 11. Hobby Musicians (Larry Walton Entertainment - St.
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 23:17:47 -0400
>From: Steve Barbone <barbonestreet at earthlink.net>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Young Jazz Players
> To: DJML <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
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> Bless those old timers and jazz festivals who spotlight
>the young players.
> Here's a clip of 14 year old Grace Kelly playing alto
>sax with the venerable
> Phil Woods at a modern jazz festival. Sound is not great
>but if you listen
> through that, you'll hear a great player.
>
> The tune is "I'll Remember April". Modern, but worth a
>listen.
>
> Woods gave her one of his hats after her performance.
>IMO, she is terrific.
> If you google Grace Kelly + Saxophone, you'll come up
>with info on her. Lots
> of "Famous Old Guys" helping her out with paying gigs.
>See
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLNe6aaZMiM
>
> Something all of us working musicians should do. We've
>got a 16 year old
> alto sax player sitting in with us this Thursday night
>and by his request,
> we'll do "Blue Monk" and "April in Paris" along with our
>usual repertoire.
>
> Cheers,
> Steve Barbone
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 00:29:03 -0400
>From: TCASHWIGG at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Young Jazz Players
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> I just hired a 17 year old young drummer from Oakland
>who spent three years with the Skyline High School
>Marching Band :)) He is going to work out fine, since
>he has no bad habits or issues yet and is enthusiastic
>about the music and playing with some cool professional
>guys.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tom Wiggins
> Saint Gabriel's Celestial Brass Band
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 01:00:13 -0500
>From: "Larry Walton Entertainment - St. Louis"
> <larrys.bands at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Play for pay!
> To: <Gluetje1 at aol.com>
> Cc: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
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> There is a vast difference between the standard Senior
>Citizen home and a
> charity. The homes are for profit and charge residents
>$3000 a month up.
> This in no way is a charity. The Seniors are paying for
>a service and the
> homes advertise that they have entertainment which
>attracts paying customers
> (the Seniors) The seniors have paid for your service
>but a corporation is
> nickel and diming you. I think that this difference is
>lost on most of the
> groups out there who just want to perform.
>
> That's not to say that there aren't homes that are
>charitable in nature.
> There are subsidized homes where the people pay 25% or
>so of their income no
> matter what it is. There are a lot of elderly people
>who have only a small
> SS check each month. Those homes are semi charities but
>when someone calls
> me on the phone I may not know what it is. I have in
>the past given them
> names of groups that will perform for free. That does
>two things. First
> they get to perform. The home isn't going to hire me
>anyway and it helps
> get them out of my hair by directing them to true
>charitable places.
>
> There is a church run home that has a lot of elderly
>nuns. I get calls from
> them about twice a year. I have only booked it once.
> They always plead
> poverty but I simply don't believe it which brings up a
>suggestion that
> might do someone some good. Groups like that should go
>to a civic
> organization in this case a K of C to help subsidize
>their entertainment.
> That way the Nuns get entertainment, I get paid and the
>K of C gets to feel
> good about what they did for the Nuns.
>
> If you think that these wannabee entertainers don't have
>an impact just try
> to book anything around Christmas time with seniors.
> They have groups
> coming out of their ears.
>
> I guess I'm sort of dwelling on Seniors and Senior Homes
>but they are major
> purchasers of OKOM here and are important.
> Larry
> St. Louis
> ----- Original Message -----
>From: <Gluetje1 at aol.com>
> To: "Larry Walton" <larrys.bands at charter.net>
> Cc: <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 3:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Play for pay!
>
>
>> Something I try to do and even occasionally experience a
>>mite of success:
>> I
>> meet retirees living on their pension who see it as
>> good-hearted charity
>> to
>> play music, be in a vocal quartet, etc. and entertain
>> for free for civic
>> events, senior citizens, etc. I try to see if a bit of
>> education and
>> information
>> will help. Education in making sure they know such
>>places do have an
>> entertainment budget. Compliments that it is great
>>that they want to
>> give their
>> time and talent to charity. Then I make suggestion
>>that their group
>> could
>> charge and then donate their earnings to whatever
>>"actual" charity they
>> wanted.
>> Also ask them if they know what the income
>>circumstances are for
>> longstanding
>> professional musicians in their area. They don't. Try
>>to point out that
>> it
>> may be uncharitable to be taking money away from
>>musicians who do need
>> these
>> jobs to meet living expenses. Suggest they make it a
>>fair competition
>> for
>> gigs. I actually know a couple of groups that did
>>indeed decide to stop
>> playing for free as a result of such conversation.
>> It's not hard to come
>> up with
>> charities in actual need.
>>
>> The other piece of "education" is to try and help the
>>person engaging the
>> group to reflect on what they are "doing" to their
>>audience when they
>> inflict
>> poor quality entertainment because it's free; subtly
>>suggest how this
>> reflects
>> on them.
>>
>> More than once I have had entertainers tell me that
>>entertaining in
>> nursing
>> homes is no different than entertaining pre-schoolers.
>>And they mean it!
>> Right down to their selection of grade school songs and
>>their clown,
>> infantalizing, antics. What an insult!!
>> Ginny
>>
>>
>>
>> ************************************** See what's free
>>at
>> http://www.aol.com.
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 07:08:48 +0100
>From: <brian at radiojazz.co.uk>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] FW: New Hot Jazz Channel show
>now live at
> www.radiojazz.co.uk
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> The June-July Hot Jazz Channel radio show - which is now
>live at
> www.radiojazz.co.uk - unusually features two rare
>recordings of battles of
> the bands. In the first "rumble" the Jim Cullum Band
>battles with New
> Orleans Hot Jazz & Banu Gibson over She's Crying For Me
>and in the second
> the Salty Dogs and Turk Murphy's Jazz Band go
>head-to-head over Panama. The
> juries are still out as to who won!
>
> The new show - which features many CDs new to the air -
>includes tracks by
> the Red Rose Ragtime Band, Yoshio Toyama & Dixie Saints,
>the French
> Preservation Jazz Band with Fred Vigorito and Sammy
>Rimington, Pee Wee
> Russell with Johnny Armatage's band, the Dutch Swing
>College Band, the
> Warren Vach? Sextet, Geoff Cole's Hot Five, the Lains
>Barn All-Stars, Kid
> Howard's La Vida Band, Ottilie Patterson with Chris
>Barber's Jazz Band, The
> Easy Riders Jazz Band, the Buena Vista Jazz Band and
>Ella Fitzgerald with
> Ellis Larkins.
>
> In our historic segment this time we're playing tracks
>by the Mound City
> Blue Blowers with Coleman Hawkins, the Mezzrow-Ladnier
>Septet, Bennie
> Moten's Kansas City Orchestra and blue singer Victoria
>Spivey.
> The Hot Jazz Channel's shows are engineered by John
>Booth and devised and
> presented by Brian Harvey.
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 11:11:42 -0400
>From: Steve Barbone <barbonestreet at earthlink.net>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Playing for free
> To: DJML <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
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> Generally not a good idea, but there are some
>exceptions. Here's one that I
> still remember and would be in favor of.
>
> In the 1950s, Kids under 21 could not get into
>Philadelphia Jazz Clubs. So
> how would they experience the beauty and freedom of live
>jazz?
>
> Ellis Tollin (Sp?) was a well known jazz drummer here
>and owned a large, 3
> story music store called Music City. The third floor was
>empty. In an effort
> to bring jazz to the kids, he started a kids jazz night
>club. His own trio
> played there, him free, and the bass and piano got paid
>union scale.
>
> Cost the kids 25 cents to get in and sodas were
>available at cost. Hours
> were early evening on Friday and Saturday.
>
> Ellis convinced the visiting jazz musicians who were
>gigging at Philadelphia
> venues to come in early on Fri and/or Sat night and
>perform a set free,
> before going to their paying gigs at Peps, the
>Rendezvous Room, Ortlieb's,
> and the other jazz joints.
>
> Most were happy to oblige. Clifford Brown, Charlie
>Parker, Billie Holiday,
> Lester Young, Muggsy Spanier, Billy Kretchmer, Count
>Basie and most of his
> Orchestra, J.J. Johnson, etc., all came to pass the
>torch and get the music
> to a new, young audience. It was a magical scene.
>
> Our bass player, Ace Tesone, was on that gig as part of
>the trio and he
> became Billie Holiday's bass player whenever she
>performed here because she
> loved his sound, first heard there. He also got to make
>that last record of
> Clifford Brown's at the Music City location.
>
> Jazz for a new, young audience? Not a new idea, and
>certainly one of the
> reasons Philadelphia was and still is home to a lot of
>great jazz musicians
> and fans.
>
> Cheers,
> Steve Barbone
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 08:15:25 -0700
>From: "Robert S. Ringwald" <robert at ringwald.com>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Copyright
> To: "DJML" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
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><dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
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> I notice that "High Society" is listed as being composed
>in 1901 and "The
> Curse of an Aching Heart" is 1913.
>
> Does this mean that they are in public domain?
>
> --Bob Ringwald K6YBV
> 916/806-9551
> www.ringwald.com
> --
> Leader, The Fulton Street Jazz Band
> www.fultonstreetjazz.com
> --
> The Boondockers (jazz and Comedy)
> www.theboondockers.com
>
> "The bottom line of any country is, what did we
>contribute to the world?
> We contributed Louis Armstrong." Tony Bennett --
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 10:01:29 -0600
>From: Mike <mike at railroadstjazzwest.com>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Copyright
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> From what I understand, anything published before 1923(
>or 95
> years before January 1st of the current year; assuming
>no
> extensions have been filed) is considered to be in the
>public
> domain.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> Robert S. Ringwald wrote:
>> I notice that "High Society" is listed as being composed
>>in 1901 and
>> "The Curse of an Aching Heart" is 1913.
>>
>> Does this mean that they are in public domain?
>>
>> --Bob Ringwald K6YBV
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 10:13:44 -0600
>From: "Bill Biffle" <bbiffle at brgcc.com>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Young Jazz Players
> To: <TCASHWIGG at aol.com>
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> Looking for a bass player last year, I used a 16 yr old
>who's granddad
> is a wonderful trumpet player. The grandfather said the
>kid could do
> it, so I hired him. 60 mile one way to the gig, three
>hours of playing.
> His mom drove him up and back and sat through the gig.
> Played
> beautifully and gave me a chance to work the crowd a
>bit, too. "Guess
> how old our bass player is?" etc."
>
> They're out there.
>
> Bill Biffle
> Albuquerque NM USA
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>From: dixielandjazz-bounces at ml.islandnet.com
> [mailto:dixielandjazz-bounces at ml.islandnet.com] On
>Behalf Of
> TCASHWIGG at aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 10:29 PM
> To: Bill Biffle
> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Young Jazz Players
>
> I just hired a 17 year old young drummer from Oakland
>who spent three
> years with the Skyline High School Marching Band :))
> He is going to
> work out fine, since he has no bad habits or issues yet
>and is
> enthusiastic about the music and playing with some cool
>professional
> guys.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tom Wiggins
> Saint Gabriel's Celestial Brass Band
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 12:20:21 -0500
>From: "Larry Walton Entertainment - St. Louis"
> <larrys.bands at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Playing for free
> To: "Steve Barbone" <barbonestreet at earthlink.net>
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> I don't know about there but here any club for young
>people no matter what
> it's stick doesn't last long. Drugs, fights, parents
>fears, church
> objections, drive bys and alcohol are the usual reasons.
> Larry
> St. Louis
> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "Steve Barbone" <barbonestreet at earthlink.net>
> To: "Larry Walton" <larrys.bands at charter.net>
> Cc: "Dixieland Jazz Mailing List"
><dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 10:11 AM
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Playing for free
>
>
>> Generally not a good idea, but there are some
>>exceptions. Here's one that
>> I
>> still remember and would be in favor of.
>>
>> In the 1950s, Kids under 21 could not get into
>>Philadelphia Jazz Clubs. So
>> how would they experience the beauty and freedom of live
>>jazz?
>>
>> Ellis Tollin (Sp?) was a well known jazz drummer here
>>and owned a large, 3
>> story music store called Music City. The third floor was
>>empty. In an
>> effort
>> to bring jazz to the kids, he started a kids jazz night
>>club. His own trio
>> played there, him free, and the bass and piano got paid
>>union scale.
>>
>> Cost the kids 25 cents to get in and sodas were
>>available at cost. Hours
>> were early evening on Friday and Saturday.
>>
>> Ellis convinced the visiting jazz musicians who were
>>gigging at
>> Philadelphia
>> venues to come in early on Fri and/or Sat night and
>>perform a set free,
>> before going to their paying gigs at Peps, the
>>Rendezvous Room, Ortlieb's,
>> and the other jazz joints.
>>
>> Most were happy to oblige. Clifford Brown, Charlie
>>Parker, Billie Holiday,
>> Lester Young, Muggsy Spanier, Billy Kretchmer, Count
>>Basie and most of his
>> Orchestra, J.J. Johnson, etc., all came to pass the
>>torch and get the
>> music
>> to a new, young audience. It was a magical scene.
>>
>> Our bass player, Ace Tesone, was on that gig as part of
>>the trio and he
>> became Billie Holiday's bass player whenever she
>>performed here because
>> she
>> loved his sound, first heard there. He also got to make
>>that last record
>> of
>> Clifford Brown's at the Music City location.
>>
>> Jazz for a new, young audience? Not a new idea, and
>>certainly one of the
>> reasons Philadelphia was and still is home to a lot of
>>great jazz
>> musicians
>> and fans.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Steve Barbone
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 12:28:00 -0500
>From: "Larry Walton Entertainment - St. Louis"
> <larrys.bands at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Plastic Horns - Was Grafton
>Sax
> To: "Mike" <mike at railroadstjazzwest.com>
> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List
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> I saw that sax at the KC Jazz museum and he must have
>been down on his luck
> to have had that thing or was paid to play it. It's
>interesting to see.
> Larry
> St. Louis
> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "Mike" <mike at railroadstjazzwest.com>
> To: "Larry Walton" <larrys.bands at charter.net>
> Cc: "Dixieland Jazz Mailing List"
><dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 8:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Plastic Horns - Was Grafton
>Sax
>
>
>>I remember reading somewhere that the one Charlie Parker
>>had went for about
>>$144,500 at a recent auction. It was part of the Chan
>>Parker collection.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>> SmokeSignalz at aol.com wrote:
>>> Hi there,
>>> I googled "Ornette Coleman" Grafton saxophone and
>>>somehow ended up on
>>> the dixielandjazz
>>> website. I saw that some of your participants were
>>>discussing the white
>>> plastic Grafton sax
>>> that Ornette had used, and I am interested in speaking
>>>with those
>>> people.
>>> I now own Ornette's Grafton and am trying to get some
>>>idea of its value
>>> for insurance purposes.
>>> I'd so appreciate any suggestions.
>>> Thank you very much, Jeanette Sartain
>>
>>
>>
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>
> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 12:59:44 -0500
>From: "Larry Walton Entertainment - St. Louis"
> <larrys.bands at charter.net>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Hobby Musicians
> To: "1-DIXIELAND JAZZ POST"
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> There is another difference between a hobby band and a
>pro band. That is the amount of praise you get when you
>play a solo or do well. Hobby bands fall all over
>themselves telling each other how well they did even when
>they didn't. Pros just don't do it or it's subdued a
>lot. Another way is warming up on stage, practicing
>between tunes or on breaks or holding a conversation
>between tunes.
>
> A more subtle thing is that hobby band guys will almost
>fight for a solo and the pros could care less most of the
>time. The pay is the same. There was a guy that would
>show up early and go through my book ( I subbed
>occasionally for the lead tenor player) and pull out the
>tunes that had solos that he wanted to play and swap
>parts then put them back later. The same guy in another
>band got bent out of shape when he missed the lead alto
>part on In the Mood and I played it. Some of these guys
>go to great lengths to protect their turf or to play
>solos. I think it's funny (strange) when guys do that
>stuff.
>
> Larry
> St. Louis
>
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