[Dixielandjazz] Fw: Al Hirt: Not jazz?

[Bob Romans]

Buddy Apfel, the great tuba player told me that about McCoy also~!
Bob Romans
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Butler" <jbutler6 at twcny.rr.com>
To: "Don Ingle" <dingle at nomadinter.net>
Cc: "DJML" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Fw: Al Hirt: Not jazz?


>I know that John Ulrich who is a fine piano player traveled with Clyde
> McCoy's road band and he told me many times how good he could play.
>
> Don Ingle wrote:
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Don Ingle" <dingle at nomadinter.net>
>> To: "Robert S. Ringwald" <robert at ringwald.com>; "DJML"
>> <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 3:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Al Hirt: Not jazz?
>>
>>
>>
>>> One needs to be careful when assigning any praise or fault to musicians.
>>> An example is Clyde McCoy. He made a good  living playing what some 
>>> would
>>> call "corny", muted schtick numbers. But I also heard his road band play
>>> some straight ahead trad jazz without any wa wa mutes, ad they swumg 
>>> like
>>> mad.
>>> Pee Wee Hunt made a hit with his cornball recoding arrangement on 12th
>>> Street Rag, but he was a very fine jazz trombonist, a long time mainstay
>>> of the Casa Loma band and had worked with a number of the Goldkette 
>>> bands
>>> in Detroit, sometimes in company wiht Bix, many times with my dad, yet 
>>> he
>>> is remembered for hsi Doo-wakka-doo-wacka 12th. Street Rag. (Anngement I
>>> might add by Rosey McHargue who also played clainet on the recording. )
>>> My dad (Red Ingle) was noted for his comedy covers of pop songs in a
>>> hillbilly, take, yet he held his own along side Bix, Tram and others 
>>> when
>>> he worked with Goldkette, and later with Ted Weems and Spike Jones. He
>>> played fine tenor, clar and bass clarinet, and baritone sax, and a load 
>>> of
>>> jazz fiddle.  But hw is seldom ever thought of as a jazz man. Al Hirt 
>>> made
>>> very successful recordings of pop styled numbers -- they paid the bills
>>> and kept some good players maing a living in the business. If you want 
>>> to
>>> judge him only by his pop sides,  he might not seem to be a "jazz"
>>> player -- but I had the pleasure of hearing him play in N.O. up close 
>>> and
>>> on standard material he was a very fine player and comfortable with the
>>> style we call trad.
>>> I think that lables are given too hastily without the full knowledge 
>>> that
>>> would back them. If you like the way a man plays, good, if you do not 
>>> then
>>> don't listen. But be careful with making those absolutes and labels
>>> becasue those who know all the facts will catch you up every time.
>>> My opinion, mine only, and that's all it is.
>>> Don Ingle
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Robert S. Ringwald" <robert at ringwald.com>
>>> To: "DJML" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 2:33 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Al Hirt: Not jazz?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> What a bunch of BS.  Al Hirt was a great Jazz musician.  So he had
>>>> phenomenal technique and had some pop hits in the  60s.  That did not
>>>> make
>>>> him "Not a Jazz musicians."
>>>>
>>>> Sometimes I wonder...
>>>>
>>>> --Bob Ringwald
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Fr M J (Mike) Logsdon" <mjl at ix.netcom.com>
>>>> To: <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 11:08 AM
>>>> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Al Hirt: Not jazz?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> This, from a blurb from a new Hirt CD
>>>>> (http://www.worldsrecords.com/cgi-bin/storeR.cgi?cart_id=01-23-07.wrnr1.13019&specific=itemcode&phrase=60077):
>>>>>
>>>>> "This CD assembles selections from Al Hirt's four-decade career and
>>>>> celebrates the joy in music. Al Hirt was an insturmental pop 
>>>>> phenomenon
>>>>> during the 60's - a pop, commercial musician, and had a succesful
>>>>> format.
>>>>> He is not a jazz trumpet and never was a jazz trumpet."
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe not ONLY jazz, but not jazz at all?  Would Mr Hirt agree with
>>>>> this?,
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Etc,
>>>>>
>>>>> Fr M J (Mike) Logsdon, Vicar-general
>>>>> North American Old Roman Catholic Church (Utrecht Succession)
>>>>> Archdiocese of California
>>>>> www.naorc.org
>>>>>
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