[Dixielandjazz] Drum Solos / was Does anybody love Bop?

[tcashwigg at aol.com]

Hi Larry:

  "Wipe Out" was the hot tune when I first started playing drums in a 
surfer rock band in California, and of course I had to play it three or 
four times a night for a very very long time.   Made me feel like I was 
Sandy Nelsen of my day, finally :))   Who was our Teen thrill Drummer 
in Rock and roll, who all the hot girls idolized and worshiped like 
Buddy Rich and Gene Krupa.   Nows we were really hot stuff, five 
guitars and one electric bass and drums ( The Bass player handled the 
heavy vocals on that tune )  the only Vocal tune we knew in surfer rock 
at the time,   we were heavy into the Ventures, with great tunes like 
Walk don't run, etc.  We called our selves  "Tommi & The Saxons"  in 
them days.   Whooweee  great fun and so so music, but it was hot for 
the day, I never went back to my day job either.

I still have a dollar for every time I played it :))  ha ha   I call it 
my retirement fund, which is why I am not planning on retiring any time 
soon. :))   I got good enough on it to actually work a N. Calif. tour 
with the original band playing teen centers and dances when their 
drummer either quit or got fired, don't remember.   Some of you N. 
California mouldy figs may have seen me at the Berryessa Bowl Concerts, 
or Clear Lake Bowling Alley shows.   we made all the Hot Spots,  or The 
Penthouse  or  The IDES Hall, in Hayward, Ca. or the Rollerena in San 
Leandro or the Vets Hall in Oakland,  wow lot's of  7 UP & Sloe Gin  in 
1/2 pints went into  those shows.  :))

Ahhhhh but the Girls  the Girls  :))

Maybe it's time for a remake on that CLASSIC HIT, WITH ST. GABRIEL'S 
AND DOING IT IN MARCHING BAND STYLE, now that would be bringing 
something new to the party of OKOM.  hummm !!!!!!!   who knows,  Ask 
the Shadow if you see him. :))

Tom   "Wiped Out" Wiggins


    Endless and equally mindless drum solos are thankfully (I hope) a 
thing of
the past.  You are absolutely right and they ended  rarely ever close 
to the
tempo that it should have been.  I think the tune "wipe out" may have 
ended
the fad in thousands of flying sticks across the country.
Larry Walton
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Suhor" <csuhor at zebra.net>
To: "Steve Barbone" <barbonestreet at earthlink.net>
Cc: <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Does anybody love Bop?


> While claiming that I love bop for its own sake I have to admit that
> when it came out, and probably even today, many young players were
> dazzled by the fast notes alone. ("Man, what technique!") Same with
> Maynard. ("How DOES he play those fantastic high notes?")--instead of
> listening for the ingenuity and beauty of the lines, and being turned
> of when there was none. I think that the critics and musicians
> themselves pointed this out over time and educated jazz listeners who
> cared enough to truly listen.
>
> Also, the worship of chops went back to the swing era, at least for
> drummers. Guys thought that they'd be Gene Krupa if they just played
> fast enough. Some Jimmy Vincent records with Louie Prima illustrate
> this--indeed, at times Krupa himself did. They lost the sense of form
> and color that Dodds, Zutty, Spargo, Bauduc, Wettling and others
> brought to the music and would thump away at the bass drum in a 
tedious
> flat 4, then bang everything in sight on solos, never counting but
> bringing the band in on a preset cue. The sonic potential of the drum
> set and the swinging logic of solos was restored and developed by  the
> be-boppers with Max Roach as the true genuis/exemplar.
>
> Charlie Suhor
>
> On Jan 10, 2007, at 4:12 PM, Steve Barbone wrote:
>
>> Dan Spink at dwsi at aol.com asked:
>>
>>> I have a naive question. Many listmates obviously are not big fans 
of
>>> bop, but
>>> some are. For those who are: Q. Does anybody really LOVE bop? All I
>>> hear is
>>> how much I should admire the talent it takes to play it--and how 
fast
>>> the
>>> notes come. Is that what boppers dig? What happened to loving the
>>> music
>>> itself? Maybe I'm just old fashioned.
>>
>> Hi Dan:
>>
>> I admit that I love bop and appreciate it just as much as I do OKOM.
>> And I
>> admit that I love the music itself inherent in bop.
>>
>> Like OKOM, some of its songs are superb and some its songs suck. But
>> the
>> music is certainly there if your ears are ready for it.
>>
>> Want to listen to some superb Bop? Try Bird's "Embracaeble You". Or
>> dig some
>> mellow Clifford Brown, like "Willow Weep For Me", or the more rapid
>> "Sweet
>> Clifford". Or hear fellow pianist Bud Powell's version of "Round
>> Midnight".
>>
>> There is a ton of extraordinary Bop out there. And IMO most boppers
>> dig the
>> music, not what it takes to play it. They hear the melody that guys
>> like
>> Bird, Diz, Bud or Trane (prior to 1957 when he left for avant garde),
>> play.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Steve Barbone
>>
>>
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