[Dixielandjazz] Does anybody love Bop?

[Marek Boym]

Hello Gary,
You say "you shouldn't avoid  Byrd because you didn't care for Morgan."  And 
if you cannot take either?  Nor, for that matter, Clifford Brown.  By the 
way, both Byrd and Morgan were sort of "post-bop" (how do you categorise?). 
But then, I can't take most of what's considered (wrongly, IMO) "modern 
jazz."  However, I like Fats Navarro a lot (so did BG, but I liked him 
before I saw the King's seal of approval), and, to my great surprise, I 
found that the best trumpet playing on a Navarro Memorial album was not by 
him, but by Kenny Dorham.  And there was Maggie.
Chee
rs

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary Kiser" <gary at kiser.org>
To: "DJML" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 2:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Does anybody love Bop?


>
> Steve Barbone wrote:
>> Dan Spink at dwsi at aol.com asked:
>>>  have a naive question. Many listmates obviously are not big fans of 
>>> bop, but
>>> some are. For those who are: Q. Does anybody really LOVE bop? All I hear 
>>> is
>>> how much I should admire the talent it takes to play it--and how fast 
>>> the
>>> notes come. Is that what boppers dig? What happened to loving the music
>>> itself? Maybe I'm just old fashioned.
>>>
>> Hi Dan:
>>
>> I admit that I love bop and appreciate it just as much as I do OKOM. And 
>> I
>> admit that I love the music itself inherent in bop.
>>
>> Like OKOM, some of its songs are superb and some its songs suck. But the
>> music is certainly there if your ears are ready for it.
>>
>> Want to listen to some superb Bop? Try Bird's "Embracaeble You". Or dig 
>> some
>> mellow Clifford Brown, like "Willow Weep For Me", or the more rapid 
>> "Sweet
>> Clifford". Or hear fellow pianist Bud Powell's version of "Round 
>> Midnight".
>>
>> There is a ton of extraordinary Bop out there. And IMO most boppers dig 
>> the
>> music, not what it takes to play it. They hear the melody that guys like
>> Bird, Diz, Bud or Trane (prior to 1957 when he left for avant garde), 
>> play.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Steve Barbone
>
> What is bop?  What is swing?  Geez, what is jazz?  Sort all you want;
> categorize all you want.  But, watch out, where you put the boundaries
> between post-swing and neo-pre-bop won't be in the same place as the guy
> next to you.  I have three musical categories : The music I love, the
> music I enjoy and the music I don't care for.  I can listen to Bix, then
> Rabih Abou-Khalil, then McCoy Tyner, then Sly and the Family Stone, then
> Hayden, then Albert Collins, then Cesaria Evora, then ZZ Top, then the
> Mills Blue Rhythm Band, then some unknown oohmpa band from Bali.
>
> Tonight, I served Cannelloni with spinach and ricotta to my daughters.
> My younger dove in, ate up and afterwards said it wasn't the best meal I
> have ever prepared, but it was all right.  My eldest decided ahead of
> time she wasn't going to like it because she never heard of Cannelloni
> and didn't know what ricotta was.
>
> Don't turn your nose up at music until you have really given it a
> chance.  Even though Clifford Brown, Freddie Hubbard, Lee Morgan and
> Donald Byrd are all considered bop horn players, you shouldn't avoid
> Byrd because you didn't care for Morgan.
>
> That's all, Gary
>
>
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