[Dixielandjazz] The appeal of jazz in Europe

Mon Jan 1 04:04:33 PST 2007

Hello Charles,
I guess it's a matter of accessibility.
The bands in Enkhuizen play in bars with no cover.  The festival features 
outdoor events, the expenses being covered by sponsors or the municipality 
(the same goes for Breda and other festivals; in de Bos, for example, all 
events were outdoor and free).  people learn to know the musik and to like 
it.  In Breda, they have kids learn about it in school, and have "jazz 
projects" towards the festival.  And there is much less "trad"-"mod" strife, 
with lots of people attending both OKOM and modern events (excluding myself, 
of course).
Cheers

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charles Suhor" <csuhor at zebra.net>
To: "Marek Boym" <nmboym at 012.net.il>
Cc: <Dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 12:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] It's Trad, Dad

>
> Hi, Amkek--
>
> Thanks for the good news. Lucky for other nations that young and old 
> audiences there are tuning in to OKOM in large numbers. We're less kind 
> in the USA to the earlier music styles, in terms of popular support.  Many 
> listmates say, truthfully I'm sure, that they can promote their  bands to 
> young audiences and do get good responses from them, but  that's far from 
> a strong popular base like the ones you describe. New  ORleans would seem 
> to be an exception, since younger and older players  (and older 
> fans--tourists, mostly) go there to listen, play, and  preserve and 
> develop older styles. The problem as I see it is that it's  mandatory for 
> tourists who don't give a hoot about jazz to go to Pres.  Hall or The Palm 
> Court, have a great time, maybe buy some souvenir CDs  that to show off to 
> friends, then forget about it while they tune into  American Idol or 
> whatever else they normally like. None of this is to  say that the music 
> is doomed but I don't think it's likley to gain  large grass roots fans 
> here. Those who love it will be a niche audience  and an enduring 
> subculture fandom for the players.
>
> Charlie
>
> On Dec 30, 2006, at 5:05 PM, Marek Boym wrote:
>
>> Hello Charlie,
>> In Europe they still make it!
>> I attendeed the Enkhuizen Jazz Festival two years ago. That small  (1994 
>> pop. 16,037) Dutch town has several jazz bands, the best known  of which 
>> is the Herringtown Jazz Band.  But, more important, one band  - The Hot 
>> Revival Jazz Band - is young!  I had heard them before in  Bude, England, 
>> but here they were on their home ground.  On the Pub  Crawl night I went 
>> to the bar where they usually play.  Wow!  At 63, I  felt ancient!  And 
>> the place was so packed I could not turn to face  the band!  The young 
>> public not only enjoyed the music, but actually  knew most songs played, 
>> and often chanted with the band.
>>
>> At another venue - paid - I had a chat with a teenager.  When he heard  I 
>> was from Israel, he enquired about jazz in Israel, and then said: 
>> "Probably same as in Enkhuizen, I guess."  He had never been abroad,  or 
>> even away from Enkhuzen, and was very surprised to hear that jazz  was 
>> not as popular in other places as in his home town!
>> So, perhaps jazz has emigrated and is alive and well in Europe (and 
>> other places, Japan for example)/
>> Cheers
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Suhor" <csuhor at zebra.net>
>> To: "Marek Boym" <nmboym at 012.net.il>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 7:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] It's Trad, Dad
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Yes, Marek, that's part of the interesting contrast. In the U.S. 
>>> revival of the 40s through early 50s, Dixieland/early jazz, etc., was 
>>> never really the rage. It had strong and widespread popular  subculture 
>>> support while the dying strains of the swing era and  plenty of novelty 
>>> tunes dominated the Hit Parade. By 1955 or so it  was a lot of shallow 
>>> rock as noted below, with early good R&B making  some inroads, and Elvis 
>>> killing off both swing and Dixieland as  popular favorites for all time 
>>> (with the exception of occasional  one-time hits like Midnight in Moscow 
>>> or Stranger on the Shore). By  the time the Beatles invaded around '63, 
>>> the combination that was  represented in the movie would have been 
>>> unthinkable in US popular  culture, as bizarre as a scholars' convention 
>>> on Aquinas and  Sartre..
>>>
>>> Charlie
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 30, 2006, at 3:46 AM, Marek Boym wrote:
>>>
>>>> Trad was THE popular music in the UK until the Beattles came around.
>>>> Cheers
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Suhor" <csuhor at zebra.net>
>>>> To: "Dan Augustine" <ds.augustine at mail.utexas.edu>
>>>> Cc: "DJML" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>; "Price, Monte" 
>>>> <monte.price at quaternity.com>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 8:29 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] It's Trad, Dad
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Strange, indeed. It was odd for me as an American to try to 
>>>>> understand
>>>>> that, unlike here, there was obviously an audience in 1962 in  England
>>>>> that simultaneously dug trad/Dixieland and the lite rock that made  up
>>>>> most of the rest of the movie. Young folks here who were digging
>>>>> Frankie Avalon, Gary U.S. Bonds, Chubby Checker, and early bubble  gum
>>>>> rock, doo-wop, etc., weren't usually interested in Dixieland at  all. 
>>>>> I
>>>>> was grateful to see this unique little period piece, though, and 
>>>>> there
>>>>> was plenty of OKOM. Any hints as to whether the chick with the male
>>>>> voice was lip-syncing?
>>>>>
>>>>> Charlie
>>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 29, 2006, at 10:53 PM, Dan Augustine wrote:
>>>>>>  i immediately thrust off my
>>>>>> drunken stupor (well, some of it) to watch this very entertaining
>>>>>> (but a little strange) film. \
>>>>>
>>>>>
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