[Dixielandjazz] University of Poor Judgment

Tue Jun 20 13:06:32 PDT 2006

Bill Sargent did a great job of expressing his political views.  I hope he writes next time about some good jazz and OKOM.  
I could give you MY political views, too, but who would care, and why?

Regards,  Harold Smith

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Today's Topics:

   1. Calling all OKOM jazz musicians in the USA (Steve Barbone)
   2. RE: Slide/valve (Ministry of Jazz)
   3. Elkhart Jazz Festival (Lowell Busching)
   4. Re: Slide/valve (Dave Hanson)
   5. Re: Calling all OKOM jazz musicians in the USA
      (BillSargentDrums at aol.com)
   6. Trumpets For Sale (Robert S. Ringwald)

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:59:30 -0400
From: Steve Barbone <barbonestreet at earthlink.net>
Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Calling all OKOM jazz musicians in the USA
To: DJML <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
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Join this protest movement now. Who is more deserving than us lowly,
starving OKOM jazz musicians?

Cheers,
Steve

The School of Arts and Culture of the University of the Poor is conducting a
survey on artists/musicians/cultural workers and our experiences with health
care. http://www.universityofthepoor.org/schools/artists/index.htm

Just like for many other people in this country, artists as a group
contribute a lot to our society, but often lack some of the basic things we
need to live, like health care. We're trying to collect some data on this,
to know a little more about artists' experiences here. These data will be
used for a Congressional Hearing on Artists and Health Care, sponsored by
Acts of Art, and for a Truth Commission this summer, organized by the Poor
People's Economic Human Rights Campaign.

The School of Arts and Culture (SOAC) of the University of the Poor is a
group of artists/cultural workers that are part of the Poor People's
Economic Human Rights Campaign, a group of organizations building a movement
to end poverty, led by poor people.
http://www.universityofthepoor.org/schools/artists/index.htm 

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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:02:54 +0200
From: "Ministry of Jazz" <jazzmin at actcom.net.il>
Subject: RE: [Dixielandjazz] Slide/valve
To: <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
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Shalom Jazz Fans,

Having played slide bone for nearly 45 years now, and I enjoy it and am
pretty good at it, necessity has led me to switch to a valve bone. I started
playing trumpet/cornet a few years ago, and in the absence of other
alternatives, I am fronting the band on them. Since we appear mostly in trio
format (banjo, clarinet and me), I generally double (triple?) on tuba and
bone along with the cornet. This gets confusing for me if I play slide bone
because I have to switch horns and therefore keys in the middle of many
songs, sometimes even switching back and forth within the same song. The
slide/valve thing doesn't bother me as much as the transposing. I found the
problem solves itself if I play a valve bone in Bb (using the same
fingerings/keys as the trumpet and tuba). Of course, I lose the slide. I
have learned to half-valve notes to get a sort of similar effect ... sort of
... but it's not the same.

Another reason is that, after stumbling onto an Olds marching bone on eBay,
I found it much easier to handle and to transport than a traditional valve
bone. It's not much bigger than a trumpet, and the sound is nearly identical
to a valve bone. I liked the thing so much that I bought several more of
them, and they are all gems -- slick valve action, the tuning slides work
smoothly, and the sound is nice, great for jazz.

In our 4 and 5 piece configurations, where I don't have to play tuba, I
still use my old slide horn. I still have to switch off between it and the
trumpet, but for some reason the key changes are more manageable than when
the tuba is in the mix too.

Elazar

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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:47:26 -0500
From: Lowell Busching <verbose at daktel.com>
Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Elkhart Jazz Festival
To: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
Message-ID: <4498269E.1030600 at daktel.com>
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Dis the season for Jazz Festivals, but I still see very little talk or 
alerts on the DJML about the upcoming festivals, other then in passing 
by members who say they plan to attend a particular one.  No serious 
information seems to be forthcoming. Dates. Personnel, etc.

To do my part in promoting live performances of OKOM, I would like to 
remind everyone on the list that the Elkhart, Ind. Jazz Festival is 
coming up for 3 days this weekend. June 23-25, with predominantly 
musicians that play OKOM. Granted not a lot of Trad Bands, but many 
musicians that most of you are familiar with. Day badges are available.

They say on the web site at http://www.elkhartjazzfestival.com that the 
following are "invited musicians" and "subject to change". I have found, 
however, that very few musicians that are invited ever cancel. Unless 
for either severe transportation problems to this relatively small town 
near South Bend (the airport utilized by Elkhart) or family crisis. The 
musicians are treated exceptionally well at this festival and are NOT 
overworked.  Sometimes to the extreme!  Much more free time then playing 
time, but you WILL see them perform.  Read the schedule carefully.

I do not expect a response from the festival at this late date on the 
scheduling, but you will currently find several of the prime "All Star" 
type sets sans trombone in the program listing (available on line in 
.pdf format)!  Why this apparent oversight in otherwise standard 
configurations I have no idea at this time. Perhaps someone on the list 
has an answer if the festival itself does not?  A cancellation of a 
trombone player not reflected in the list of musicians yet?

A quick look at the "invited" musicians will show that some of the best 
trombone players in the world for OKOM have been invited. I expect to 
see them there based on over 13 years experience with this now 19 year 
festival. If Randy Reinhart brings his trombone as well as his cornet, 
the list of premiere trombone players is even longer! I am obviously 
overlooking something here! Perhaps Randy has an answer for this? Or 
even Steve who checks out EVERYTHING. :-)

Invited personnel are as follows.

Piano
Shelly Berg
Eddie Higgins
Ed Metz Sr.         Primarily with his Bob Cats
Mark Shane
John Sheridan
Johnny Varro

Bass
John Bany
Lou Fischer
Joel Forbes         Primarily with BED
Jay Leonhart
Frank Tate
Murray Wall

Guitar
Howard Alden
James Chirillo
Eddie Erikson       Primarily with BED
Marty Gross
Rebecca Kilgore     Limited probably See BED
Bucky Pizzarelli
Frank Vignola

Reeds
Dave Bennett
Kenny Davern        Sans Microphone if possible
Chuck Hedges
Ken Peplowski
Allan Vache

Brass
Bill Allred         Trombone            Primarily with his band.
John Allred         Trombone            Primarily with Bill if here.
Dan Barrett         Trombone            Primarily with BED
Bob Havens          Trombone
Jiggs Whigham       Trombone
Duke Heitger
Ed Polcer
Randy Reinhart
Tommy Saunders

Drums
Joe Ascione
Charlie Braugham
Les DeMerle
Jeff Hamilton       Primarily with his Trio
Jake Hanna
Steve Houghton
Ed Metz Jr.         Primarily with the Bob Cats.
Ed Shaughnessy

Groups
Shelly Berg Trio
Bill Allred's Classic Jazz Band
BED w/ Dan Barrett, Rebecca Kilgore and Eddie Erickson Plus Joel Forbes
Boston Brass
The Bob Crosby Bob Cats with Ed Metz Sr. & Jr.
Tim Cunningham
The Frank and Joe Show
Jeff Hamilton Trio
Cathy Morris & Collage
New Reformation Band from Michigan
Wally's Warehouse Waifs

Vocals
Dave Bennett
Rebecca Kilgore
Claudia Schmidt

I hope to see a few more of you there besides list mate Hal. You can 
spot Mad Dawg being chased by a pack of Festival Staffers who have had 
to deal with my verbose email on the above subjects.  I will probably be 
foaming at the mouth and out of breath, and wearing my badge that says I 
can't remember your name either.

Lowell aka Mad Dawg

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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 18:18:20 -0400
From: "Dave Hanson" <jazzdude39 at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Slide/valve
To: <dingle at baldwin-net.com>
Cc: Jim Kashishian <jim at kashprod.com>
Message-ID: <002b01c693ee$45ec4750$6501a8c0 at phantom>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"

Jim & Don,

I agree with your comparison of the slide vs. valve thing. When I went to New Orleans in 1966 I had a King 3B slide and valve combo. I hadn't played the valve section much, so on this steady I would play the slide on one set and then go to the valve. 
I learned a valuable lesson.....they are two different and distinct horns. I was told I sounded
far different on the slide than on the valve, but the club owner let me play them anyway.
Jim Trimble and Bruce Paulson came into town with Buddy Rich and I loaned them the valve section as they were both playing 3B's. The first time Buddy heard Jim playing, he told him to get rid of it and the same with Bruce. I'll never forget that one, but all three of us enjoyed many after hours session using that valve section.
Funny thing is, I don't remember what happened to that horn. Oh well !

Regards,

Dave Hanson
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: dingle at baldwin-net.com 
  To: jim at kashprod.com 
  Cc: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com 
  Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 5:53 PM
  Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Slide/valve

  Jim Kashishian wrote:

  >Don wrote:
  >To my sinner ways ( a love for the valve trombone that gets so many sneers
  >on this list from slide snobs<G>) this fine player had a nice, melodic style
  >that blended well in the ensembles and were easy on the ear. 
  >
  >Hoping I'm not one of those "snobs" you mention, Don, I just consider the
  >valve trombone as being a completely different horn than the slide trombone.
  >I don't think that anyone should try to compare them.  Also, and this is not
  >a slur (pun intented!), most valve trombone players have come from being
  >trumpet players, so their improvisational ideas come from there, also, which
  >gives them a completely different sound to the horn than their slippier
  >cousins.
  >
  >Jim
  >
  >
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  >  
  >
  And then there's Randy Rhinhardt -- who plays either -- I know, since he 
  grabbed byVT on a fast romp on DaDa Strain while I had to play his 
  cornet onthe f ly with the Sons of Bix at the Annual Bix Birthday Bash 
  in Illinois, and it was taped. Jolly good romp.
  I do have a bass line mentality whenplaying ensemble and play the right 
  counterpuntal lines where they should be.
  The nature of the horn means less slur and gliss,though you can do some  
  simple ones with half valved and lip bends.
  And no -- I did not count you in the "snob"  group, but have caught 
  enough of the bad mouting about valver trombones having no plaes in OKOM 
  here on the list. To those misguided sould I recommend the Freeman Summa 
  Cum Laude sides and rest my case.
  But to make my case, one of the CD soon to wing your way is some live 
  stuff with the Sons of Bix -- and the infamous quick change with Randy 
  on my VT and me on his Getzen. Chaos is not all that bad!
  Don

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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:07:00 EDT
From: BillSargentDrums at aol.com
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Calling all OKOM jazz musicians in the
	USA
To: barbonestreet at earthlink.net, dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
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I do NOT want the government doing ANYTHING about my health care.

The ONLY thing the government does right is the military. EVERYthing else  
they screw up . . . and that is on top of costing much more than the private  
sector could have done it for in the first place.

The LAST thing you want is socialized medicine in this country.

Oh yea, one last thing, I have it on good authority that the poor will  
always be with us.

And there are plenty of private (read religious) organizations to deal with  
that too . . . and THEY'D be better at it if some in society weren't doing  
everything they could to circumvent them also.

Bill

*  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *   *  *  *

Join this protest movement now. Who is more deserving than us  lowly,
starving OKOM jazz musicians?

Cheers,
Steve

The  School of Arts and Culture of the University of the Poor is conducting  a
survey on artists/musicians/cultural workers and our experiences with  health
care.  http://www.universityofthepoor.org/schools/artists/index.htm

Just like  for many other people in this country, artists as a group
contribute a lot to  our society, but often lack some of the basic things we
need to live, like  health care. We're trying to collect some data on this,
to know a little more  about artists' experiences here. These data will be
used for a Congressional  Hearing on Artists and Health Care, sponsored by
Acts of Art, and for a Truth  Commission this summer, organized by the Poor
People's Economic Human Rights  Campaign.

The School of Arts and Culture (SOAC) of the University of the  Poor is a
group of artists/cultural workers that are part of the Poor  People's
Economic Human Rights Campaign, a group of organizations building a  movement
to end poverty, led by poor people.
_http://www.universityofthepoor.org/schools/artists/index.htm_ 
(http://www.universityofthepoor.org/schools/artists/index.htm)  

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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:10:42 -0700
From: "Robert S. Ringwald" <robert at ringwald.com>
Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Trumpets For Sale
To: "DJML" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
Message-ID: <003701c69494$fc0478e0$6402a8c0 at Bob>
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	reply-type=original

Berl  Howell berl at sti.net ask me to post the following:

Please reply to him direct and not to me.  

I have two  horns for sale. Maybe you or someone you know might be 
interested in
them. They are bought in great shape and play well.
Bach Strad, Silver, #124258, 1975 to 1980 with Bach case.
CG Conn Constellation 38 A
 #785160,
 No case This was called a cornet but looks like a trumpet using a cornet 
mouthpiece.

Berl Howell  berl at sti.net 

--Bob Ringwald K6YBV
The Fulton Street Jazz Band
The Boondockers (Jazz and Comedy)

Friendship is like peeing your pants, everyone can see it,
but only you can feel the true warmth.

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