[Dixielandjazz] Re: Dixielandjazz Digest, Vol 43, Issue 47

[Fred Hoeptner]

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>   1. Re: Lyrics (Gluetje1 at aol.com)
>   2. Misunderstanding Old Tunes - Racist Lyrics? (Steve Barbone)
>   3. "Si Tu Vois Ma Mere" (Laurence Swain)
>   4. Si tu vois ma m?re (Gerard Bielderman)
>   5. Re: Lyrics (pat ladd)
>   6. Re: Correct Lyrics or not? -  was PC Lyrics (pat ladd)
>   7. Re: Correct Lyrics or not? -  was PC Lyrics (patcooke77 at yahoo.com)
>   8. cure found for modern jazz (Cholmondeley Edkins)
>   9. Re: Correct Lyrics or not? -  was PC Lyrics (dwlit at cpcug.org)
>  10. Re: Jass - Jazz (Phil O'Rourke)
>  11. "Si Tu Vois Ma Mere" (Laurence Swain)
>  12. Re: Correct Lyrics or not? -  was PC Lyrics (Flip Oakes)
>  13. Re: Hooking Cows (Tom Belmessieri)
>  14. Re: Lyrics (Gluetje1 at aol.com)
>  15. Re: Lyrics (Steve Barbone)
>  16. RE: Lyrics (mmckay)
>  17. RE: Lyrics (Tom Belmessieri)
>  18. Thinking Outside The Box at Lincoln Center (Steve Barbone)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 22:24:09 EDT
> From: Gluetje1 at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Lyrics
> To: barbonestreet at earthlink.net, dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> Message-ID: <360.8fb5bb7.31f82c49 at aol.com>
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>
> I liked getting the info on blue side effects of treatment for
> syphilis--renders the song much more profound.
>
> I wish I had more experience with how current African-American audiences
> generally feel about these lyrics, and of course, it is going to depend on 
> the
> individual's knowledge and perceptual frame.  But  I do have some  limited
> experience with black audiences already knowing much of the history  of 
> their
> songwriters and appreciative that it is being presented also to whites  to 
> help
> set context.
>
> I have also observed a difference with African-American responses to jazz
> banjo and/or Tin Pan Alley banjo bands; flat affect at even the mention of 
> the
> word "banjo" still in the 1980's, sometimes part of smiling, toe-tapping
> audiences in the mid-2000's.
>
> To me, jazz is a great opportunity.  Resulted from merging  the 
> Afrocentric
> and Eurocentric.  Lays a table before us for some partaking  of both.
>
> Re: the comments on Rap.  You can find stuff via web searches, etc. 
> musing
> about Rap being the current version of blacks in black face during  the 
> era of
> "coon" songs.
> Ginny
>
>
> In a message dated 7/25/2006 2:49:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> barbonestreet at earthlink.net writes:
>
> When I  first played the tune some 10 years later one of my black band 
> mates
> told  me that BMNSGTM was about Syphilis.
>
> Whether you believe it or not about  Darktown and Naughty Sweetie is
> unimportant.  However if it makes the  music relevant to the kids, (and in 
> my
> experience it does) then to me and  them, it is very important. :-) VBG.
>
> IMO, this happy, toe tappin music  we call Dixieland derives from sex, 
> drugs,
> alcoholics, poverty, social  diseases, bigotry, humor etc. And much of it,
> especially that written  and/or played by blacks has a message that is
> completely missed by many of  us, for one reason or another.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 23:12:16 -0400
> From: Steve Barbone <barbonestreet at earthlink.net>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Misunderstanding Old Tunes - Racist Lyrics?
> To: DJML <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Message-ID: <C0EC55D0.683C%barbonestreet at earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> As an aside, when we first started to play "That's Why They Call Me 
> Shine",
> we had two black players in the band. They refused to play it because they
> thought it was a racist tune and demeaned their race. (In fact, most 
> people,
> black and white, seemed to think it was racist)
>
> After I explained it, they immediately embraced it. It was then that I
> decided to carefully explain the meaning of the tune, the composer and the
> show "His Honor The Barber" along the lines previously posted.
>
> We now play it on every gig after a short preface about it being a
> "signifying" tune and the first tune in jazz, to my knowledge, that was a
> parody of racism and racists.
>
> Ditto for "Darktown Strutters Ball". Bottom line is that neither tune is
> racist unless one infers it based upon ignorance of who wrote them, why 
> they
> were written and what they were written about.
>
> Today, many blacks in our audiences compliment us for both our music and 
> for
> the manner in which we present it.
>
> Perhaps in these days of PC carried to ridiculous extremes, we need a 
> little
> more rational dialog?
>
> Heck, even President Bush used the word "shit" in a conversation with 
> Prime
> Minister Tony Blair. :-) VBG
>
> Cheers,
> Steve Barbone
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 23:22:58 -0400
> From: "Laurence Swain" <l.swain at comcast.net>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] "Si Tu Vois Ma Mere"
> To: gary at kiser.org
> Cc: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> Message-ID: <44C6A7D2.15908.C54F78D at l.swain.comcast.net>
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> I just googled "Si Tu Vois Ma Mere" (include the quotation marks) and the 
> first hit
>
> http://tinyurl.com/puxty
>
> includes the (often-seen) alternate name "I Remember When".   From a 
> reference to a CD
> from a band from Boston that is among the very best anywhere!
>
> Check it out!
>
> FWIW I have loved this tune since I first heard Sydney Bechet play the 
> melody...
>
> Larry Swain
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 09:08:48 +0200
> From: "Gerard Bielderman" <gerard.bielderman at tiscali.nl>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Si tu vois ma m?re
> To: "DJM List" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Message-ID: <002d01c6b082$5815f970$cfecab52 at bielderman>
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>
> When Monty Sunshine (Chris Barber Band) recorded this title for an LP 
> (just
> clarinet and rhythm) they used the original French title. Shortly after 
> the
> track was issued on a single with the same name. Two months later the tune
> was re-recorded, this time with Chris Barber on trombone. On the single
> record the title now was "Lonesome". Later the track from the LP was 
> issued
> in the USA on a single with a piano dubbed in. And now again the title was
> changed: "I remember when".
> So I suppose the retitlings were cooked up by someone at the record
> companies as the French title was too difficult for the English market.
> Gerard Bielderman / Leie 18 / 8032 ZG  ZWOLLE / Netherlands
> Publisher of jazz discographies
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:27:20 +0100
> From: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd at btinternet.com>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Lyrics
> To: <Gluetje1 at aol.com>
> Cc: jazz <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Message-ID: <001601c6b095$b1e972c0$0c00a8c0 at Patpc>
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>
> African-American responses to jazz  banjo and/or Tin Pan Alley banjo 
> bands;
> >>
>
> Hi,
> you mean that they object to banjo`s?  That really is taking things to
> ridiculous extremes.
>
> In the UK the nursery schools are teaching Baa, baa rainbow sheep` instead
> of `black sheep`in the old nursery rhyme. Are these fools trying to wish 
> the
> colour black out of existence so that they don`t offend some imaginary
> audience?
>
> No one wants to offend but this type of nonsense should be stamped and
> exposed for the tripe which it is.
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:11:10 +0100
> From: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd at btinternet.com>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Correct Lyrics or not? -  was PC Lyrics
> To: "Steve Barbone" <barbonestreet at earthlink.net>
> Cc: jazz <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Message-ID: <00d001c6b09b$d11399e0$0c00a8c0 at Patpc>
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>
> "Madonna invites me to tea;>>
>
> Hi Steve
>
> Our leader always sang `Greta Garbo had HAD me for tea`
>
> All fairly innocuous changes. I have heard the line from Aint Misbehavin 
> `Me
> and my radio` changed to `video`
>
> I wonder if in twenty years that will be a subject for deep discussion on
> the list. I mean, `misbehavin` has obvious sexual connotations, doesn`t 
> it?
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 03:30:25 -0700 (PDT)
> From: <patcooke77 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Correct Lyrics or not? -  was PC Lyrics
> To: pat ladd <pj.ladd at btinternet.com>, Steve Barbone
> <barbonestreet at earthlink.net>
> Cc: jazz <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Message-ID: <20060726103025.77382.qmail at web35413.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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> Maynard Ferguson used to sing "Linda Lovelace has had me to tea'"
>
> Pat Cooke
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: pat ladd <pj.ladd at btinternet.com>
> To: Steve Barbone <barbonestreet at earthlink.net>
> Cc: jazz <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 5:11:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Correct Lyrics or not? - was PC Lyrics
>
>
> "Madonna invites me to tea;>>
>
> Hi Steve
>
> Our leader always sang `Greta Garbo had HAD me for tea`
>
> All fairly innocuous changes. I have heard the line from Aint Misbehavin 
> `Me
> and my radio` changed to `video`
>
> I wonder if in twenty years that will be a subject for deep discussion on
> the list. I mean, `misbehavin` has obvious sexual connotations, doesn`t 
> it?
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:46:17 +0100 (BST)
> From: Cholmondeley Edkins <chom1ey at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] cure found for modern jazz
> To: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> Message-ID: <20060726104617.57482.qmail at web27712.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
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> Dear listmates
>
> I'm compelled to come out of lurkage.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=jfhancock
>
> just got speed upgrade to ADSL2. Testing it on this gent's videos. Wowed 
> by Freddy Schnickelfritz, Spike Jones, the Kidoodlers, Mel Torme etc. Just 
> when you think there is nothing left in the world but modern jazz, there 
> is plenty  more to live for..
>
>
> oil the best
>
> Chumley
>
> e.g.:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7isNIbO8hdc&search=jimmy%20durante
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amK02PzFDYI&mode=related&search=
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eF0nboPsZ94&mode=related&search=
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6EwMlN2eHQ
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgUQCT9bIE8
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZobJvSHun0
>
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 06:27:24 -0500 (CDT)
> From: dwlit at cpcug.org
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Correct Lyrics or not? -  was PC Lyrics
> To: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> Message-ID: <24127.127.0.0.1.1153913244.squirrel at cpcug.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
>
> As did Sam Butera.
>
> --Sheik
> http://americanmusiccaravan.com
>
>> Maynard Ferguson used to sing "Linda Lovelace has had me to tea'"
>> Pat Cooke
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 21:40:42 +1000
> From: "Phil O'Rourke" <philor at webone.com.au>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Jass - Jazz
> To: "DJML" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Message-ID: <00b901c6b0a8$5fe18f90$0400a8c0 at philsfred>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Pat
>
> They may have been accurate; but what of their taste?
>
> Phil O'Rourke
> Australia
>
>
>> Hi Phil,
>> well, I learn something new each day. I had absolutely no idea. You mean
>> when people have told me to `Stop that f******n noise` they were actually
>> quite accurate.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Pat
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 08:43:14 -0400
> From: "Laurence Swain" <l.swain at comcast.net>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] "Si Tu Vois Ma Mere"
> To: gary at kiser.org
> Cc: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> Message-ID: <44C72B22.14212.E55E83C at l.swain.comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> I just googled "Si Tu Vois Ma Mere" (include the quotation marks) and the 
> first hit
>
> http://tinyurl.com/puxty
>
> includes the (often-seen) alternate name "I Remember When".   From a 
> reference to a CD
> from a band from Boston that is among the very best anywhere!
>
> Check it out!
>
> FWIW I have loved this tune since I first heard Sydney Bechet play the 
> melody...
>
> Larry Swain
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 06:31:02 -0700
> From: Flip Oakes <flip at flipoakes.com>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Correct Lyrics or not? -  was PC Lyrics
> To: <patcooke77 at yahoo.com>, pat ladd <pj.ladd at btinternet.com>, Steve
> barbone <barbonestreet at earthlink.net>
> Cc: Dixieland Jazz <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Message-ID: <C0ECBCA6.2BE6D%flip at flipoakes.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
>
> Actually Maynard Ferguson sang Linda Lovelace thinks I'm obscene....
>
> Flip Oakes
> http://www.southmarketstreetjazzband.com
> http://www.titanhotseven.com/bios.htm
>
>
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>
>
> on 7/26/06 3:30 AM, patcooke77 at yahoo.com at patcooke77 at yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> Maynard Ferguson used to sing "Linda Lovelace has had me to tea'"
>>
>> Pat Cooke
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: pat ladd <pj.ladd at btinternet.com>
>> To: Steve Barbone <barbonestreet at earthlink.net>
>> Cc: jazz <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 5:11:10 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Correct Lyrics or not? - was PC Lyrics
>>
>>
>> "Madonna invites me to tea;>>
>>
>> Hi Steve
>>
>> Our leader always sang `Greta Garbo had HAD me for tea`
>>
>> All fairly innocuous changes. I have heard the line from Aint Misbehavin 
>> `Me
>> and my radio` changed to `video`
>>
>> I wonder if in twenty years that will be a subject for deep discussion on
>> the list. I mean, `misbehavin` has obvious sexual connotations, doesn`t 
>> it?
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Pat
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 07:16:24 -0700
> From: "Tom Belmessieri" <tbelmo at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Hooking Cows
> To: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> Message-ID: <BAY109-F27E84C87814BE9AACF571AD25B0 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
>
> It's easy, Scott.  Tell him, after it's slaughtered and cooked, you cut it
> with your ife and eat it with your ork.
>
> Tom B.
> ------------
>>From: "Scott Anthony" <santh at pacbell.net>
>>To: "Phil O'Rourke" <philor at webone.com.au>,"DJML"
>><dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>>Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Hooking Cows
>>Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:53:25 -0700
>>
>>My friend the drummer, Bill Maginnis, being a bit dyslexic, used to see 
>>the
>>word "coworkers" as "cow orkers" and wondered all his childhood how the
>>hell
>>do you "ork" a cow?
>>
>>Scott
>>-----------------------------------------------
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>>Golden Gate Rhythm Machine
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>>889 De Haro Street
>>San Francisco, CA 94107
>>415-260-6116
>>www.santhony.com
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Phil O'Rourke" <philor at webone.com.au>
>>To: "DJML" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>>Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 3:41 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Hooking Cows
>>
>>
>> > > Gosh, cow hookers? I didn't know that!
>> >
>> > Is this a bit of bull??
>> >
>> > Phil O'Rourke
>> > Australia
>> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:39:59 EDT
> From: Gluetje1 at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Lyrics
> To: pj.ladd at btinternet.com
> Cc: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> Message-ID: <263.10c44000.31f8d8bf at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
>
> Hi Pat,
> The banjo seems to have become very much an icon of the racial 
> stereotyping
> that was done of African-Americans.  It did not stop with minstrel shows 
> and
> vaudeville, but apparently has been very much a part of at least some
> bluegrassers' behavior and attitudes in U.S. even in the present. (I 
> don't have
> direct experience, am relying on what I read.)  There is an  email list 
> called
> "Black Banjo Then and Now" via Yahoo Groups which has a great  deal of 
> this info,
> but finding it would be very challenging archive reading by  now.  The 
> Black
> Banjo group emerged as part of the aftermath of research  into Old Time 
> black
> five string playing.  I post there from time to time re  African American 
> DL
> banjoists.  That group promotes both playing and  knowing the history of 
> banjo
> as the antecedents of current banjo got to American  continents and 
> islands
> via slaves.
>
> But, yes, in the 80's, my experiences were that African-Americans 
> generally
> abhorred the banjo.  (Yes, I know I'm setting myself up for  the banjo 
> jokes,
> etc.  Save your fingers--I probably heard them. LOL)   Anyhow, I am 
> pleased to
> see this abhorrence gradually turn around.
>
> Rainbow sheep seems likes another good example of things we humans do when
> we don't know history or how to use it.  Would not black wool be prized 
> for
> it's scarcity?  The original messages of nursery rhymes are another 
> fascinating
> area as in "Ring Around the Rosy" being about bubonic  plague--similar to
> getting blue (from the treatment) when a naughty sweetie  gives one 
> syphilis.
> Ginny
>
> In a message dated 7/26/2006 4:47:01 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> pj.ladd at btinternet.com writes:
>
> African-American responses to jazz  banjo and/or Tin Pan Alley  banjo 
> bands;
>>>
>
> Hi,
> you mean that they object to  banjo`s?  That really is taking things to
> ridiculous  extremes.
>
> In the UK the nursery schools are teaching Baa, baa rainbow  sheep` 
> instead
> of `black sheep`in the old nursery rhyme. Are these fools  trying to wish 
> the
> colour black out of existence so that they don`t offend  some imaginary
> audience?
>
> No one wants to offend but this type of  nonsense should be stamped and
> exposed for the tripe which it  is.
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:44:10 -0400
> From: Steve Barbone <barbonestreet at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Lyrics
> To: pat ladd <pj.ladd at btinternet.com>, DJML
> <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Message-ID: <C0ECF7FA.6848%barbonestreet at earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> on 7/26/06 6:01 AM, pat ladd at pj.ladd at btinternet.com wrote:
>
>> Just what are "The Blues My Naughty Sweetie Gives to Me?">>
>>
>> Hi Steve,
>> I am sure you are right but to most people it merely means `my girl has 
>> made
>> me miserable` and she is `naughty` because she hasn`t treated  me right.
>>
>> Thats the  theme of hundreds of love songs.
>>
>> If you look for `hidden meanings` you can find them anywhere.
>>
>> What about
>> You`re young and healthy, so lets be bold
>> In a year or two or three, maybe we will be too old.
>>
>> Its obviously an exhortation to get screwing before you are past it.
>>
>> I wish I had listened to the words more closely 40 years ago.
>
> Dear Pat:
>
> ME TOO. :-) VBG
>
> My favorite words are from "I Wish I Were in  Love Again"; Rodgers & Hart
>
> When love congeals
> it soon reveals
> the faint aroma of performing seals
> the double-crossing of a pair of heels.
> I wish I were in love again!
>
> How on earth did that get past the PC censors when it was written? ;-) VBG
>
> Cheers,
> Steve Barbone
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:49:58 -0400
> From: "mmckay" <macjazz at se.rr.com>
> Subject: RE: [Dixielandjazz] Lyrics
> To: "'Steve Barbone'" <barbonestreet at earthlink.net>
> Cc: Dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> Message-ID: <200607261449.k6QEnwiQ011725 at ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com>
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>
> My favorites have always been "If I could be with you one hour tonight" 
> and
> "Last night on the back porch"
>
> Mart
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dixielandjazz-bounces at ml.islandnet.com
> [mailto:dixielandjazz-bounces at ml.islandnet.com] On Behalf Of Steve Barbone
> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 10:44 AM
> To: pat ladd; DJML
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Lyrics
>
> on 7/26/06 6:01 AM, pat ladd at pj.ladd at btinternet.com wrote:
>
>> Just what are "The Blues My Naughty Sweetie Gives to Me?">>
>>
>> Hi Steve,
>> I am sure you are right but to most people it merely means `my girl
>> has made me miserable` and she is `naughty` because she hasn`t treated 
>> me
> right.
>>
>> Thats the  theme of hundreds of love songs.
>>
>> If you look for `hidden meanings` you can find them anywhere.
>>
>> What about
>> You`re young and healthy, so lets be bold In a year or two or three,
>> maybe we will be too old.
>>
>> Its obviously an exhortation to get screwing before you are past it.
>>
>> I wish I had listened to the words more closely 40 years ago.
>
> Dear Pat:
>
> ME TOO. :-) VBG
>
> My favorite words are from "I Wish I Were in  Love Again"; Rodgers & Hart
>
> When love congeals
> it soon reveals
> the faint aroma of performing seals
> the double-crossing of a pair of heels.
> I wish I were in love again!
>
> How on earth did that get past the PC censors when it was written? ;-) VBG
>
> Cheers,
> Steve Barbone
>
>
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>
> Message: 17
> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 07:51:55 -0700
> From: "Tom Belmessieri" <tbelmo at hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: [Dixielandjazz] Lyrics
> To: Dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
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> Don't forget, "Down The Old Ox Road".
>
> Tom B.
> ------------
>>From: "mmckay" <macjazz at se.rr.com>
>>Reply-To: macjazz at se.rr.com
>>To: "'Steve Barbone'" <barbonestreet at earthlink.net>
>>CC: Dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
>>Subject: RE: [Dixielandjazz] Lyrics
>>Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:49:58 -0400
>>
>>  My favorites have always been "If I could be with you one hour tonight"
>>and
>>"Last night on the back porch"
>>
>>Mart
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: dixielandjazz-bounces at ml.islandnet.com
>>[mailto:dixielandjazz-bounces at ml.islandnet.com] On Behalf Of Steve Barbone
>>Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 10:44 AM
>>To: pat ladd; DJML
>>Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Lyrics
>>
>>on 7/26/06 6:01 AM, pat ladd at pj.ladd at btinternet.com wrote:
>>
>> > Just what are "The Blues My Naughty Sweetie Gives to Me?">>
>> >
>> > Hi Steve,
>> > I am sure you are right but to most people it merely means `my girl
>> > has made me miserable` and she is `naughty` because she hasn`t treated
>>me
>>right.
>> >
>> > Thats the  theme of hundreds of love songs.
>> >
>> > If you look for `hidden meanings` you can find them anywhere.
>> >
>> > What about
>> > You`re young and healthy, so lets be bold In a year or two or three,
>> > maybe we will be too old.
>> >
>> > Its obviously an exhortation to get screwing before you are past it.
>> >
>> > I wish I had listened to the words more closely 40 years ago.
>>
>>Dear Pat:
>>
>>ME TOO. :-) VBG
>>
>>My favorite words are from "I Wish I Were in  Love Again"; Rodgers & Hart
>>
>>When love congeals
>>it soon reveals
>>the faint aroma of performing seals
>>the double-crossing of a pair of heels.
>>I wish I were in love again!
>>
>>How on earth did that get past the PC censors when it was written? ;-) VBG
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Steve Barbone
>>
>>
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> Message: 18
> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:56:19 -0400
> From: Steve Barbone <barbonestreet at earthlink.net>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Thinking Outside The Box at Lincoln Center
> To: DJML <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
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> Perhaps off topic except for those who produce or volunteer at Jazz
> Festivals, and/or band leaders seeking the enlarge their audience.
>
> For others, the gist of the article is the paragraph below. Mr. Levy,
> Lincoln Center's new president is trying to attract more audience and 
> argues
> that the artistic content (music) is not enough.
>
> "While Lincoln Center¹s main attraction is still its artistic content, Mr.
> Levy argues that the performances alone are not sufficient to attract
> today¹s audiences. 'That sufficiency is the environment we create, the
> barriers we break down in the sense that Lincoln Center is open and
> accessible to those of all income classes from all over the city and the
> country,' he said."
>
> Cheers,
> Steve Barbone
>
>
> At Lincoln Center, Reynold Levy Is Loosening Things Up
>
> NY TIMES - By ROBIN POGREBIN - July 26, 2006
>
> Understandably, perhaps, some concertgoers were not pleased by the sight 
> of
> a man floating in a glass tank, smack dab in the heart of Lincoln Center
> Plaza, as crowds and television cameras looked on for a full week in May.
>
> But in the view of Reynold Levy, Lincoln Center¹s president, the stunt man
> in the scuba mask served a worthy purpose. Mr. Levy cited a live ABC
> broadcast of the event, in which David Blaine set a record for living in 
> an
> aquarium.
>
> ³The fact that Lincoln Center¹s brand was experienced in that way, and 
> shots
> of Lincoln Center were seen by millions of people, is a net plus for the
> place,² Mr. Levy said.
>
> That spectacle is one of several recent efforts approved by Mr. Levy to 
> make
> his institution accessible to a wider audience. Today, for example, 
> Lincoln
> Center is to announce the establishment of its own publishing imprint, 
> under
> which it will produce about five books a year in a partnership with John
> Wiley & Sons. Choices could range from a history of Lincoln Center to
> memoirs by prominent classical artists to concertgoing companion books for
> families.
>
> Mr. Levy cannot take all the credit for injecting a populist note into
> Lincoln Center¹s imposing travertine campus. The Lincoln Center
> redevelopment project, for example, which aims to open up the campus
> physically and make it seem more transparent, was already under way when 
> he
> took the job four years ago.
>
> But Mr. Levy has played a crucial role in pushing the project along, given
> that many predicted that it would never get off the ground. (Construction
> began in March.) He has been deeply involved in discussions on the designs 
> <
> by the architecture firm Diller, Scofidio & Renfro < promoting a 
> rethinking
> of the campus as a place where people should feel comfortable stopping by
> for a sandwich on the grass roof of a planned restaurant or for a coffee 
> in
> the new lobby of Alice Tully Hall.
>
> Mr. Levy has overseen several other efforts by the center to loosen up a
> little. With the goal of making all sorts of people feel welcome < whether
> or not they were weaned on ³Rigoletto² and ³Swan Lake² < two installations
> of public art were planned for this summer: ³Big Pleasure Point,² an
> assemblage of brightly colored boats by Nancy Rubins on view on the plaza,
> and ³Enlightenment,² a digital reworking of the last movement of the
> ³Jupiter¹¹ Symphony, timed to the opening of the Mostly Mozart Festival on
> Friday.
>
> Mr. Levy¹s further initiatives include unorthodox performance times, like
> 10:30 p.m.; Mostly Mozart shows in the Stanley H. Kaplan Penthouse; the
> installation of WiFi access, which should become available within the 
> year;
> and the acquisition of the Harmony Atrium nearby on Broadway, which will 
> be
> reconfigured as a place where people will gather before or after
> performances, buy day-of-show tickets at half price or listen to Juilliard
> students perform.
>
> ³We¹re all very focused on exploiting the potential of 21st-century
> technology to extend what happens in our halls outside of our halls,² Mr.
> Levy said.
>
> The Lincoln Center presidency is an unwieldy command. Mr. Levy is in 
> charge
> of the campus¹s day-to-day operations, overseeing an annual operating 
> budget
> of $95 million. He is both landlord and parent, in charge of everything 
> from
> maintenance and mechanics to programming like the Great Performers series
> and Midsummer Night Swing, when people dance on the plaza.
>
> But it is the chairman, Frank A. Bennack Jr., who has the final say at
> Lincoln Center. And Mr. Levy cannot really tell the 12 constituent groups
> what to do. Each organization < including heavyweights like the 
> Metropolitan
> Opera, the New York City Ballet and the New York Philharmonic < is a power
> center on its own, with its own often formidable leader. The redevelopment
> has challenged Mr. Levy to steer those groups toward consensus.
>
> When Mr. Levy assumed the post in 2002, the campus was split by conflict
> over the renovation plans, which started in 1999 as a way to upgrade 
> Lincoln
> Center¹s aging infrastructure. Disagreements among the constituents ranged
> from whether the architect Frank Gehry should design a glass atrium 
> arching
> over the plaza to whether garage access should be eliminated on West 65th
> Street.
>
> Mr. Levy¹s predecessor, Gordon J. Davis < the former parks commissioner 
> and
> founding chairman of Jazz at Lincoln Center, who assumed the presidency in
> January 2001 < lasted just nine months in the job after clashing with
> Beverly Sills, who was then the Lincoln Center chairwoman.
>
> Before him, Nathan Leventhal had been something of a permanent government 
> at
> Lincoln Center, lasting 17 years in the job while overseeing the campus¹s
> diversification through the establishment of the Jazz at Lincoln Center
> program, the American Songbook series and the Lincoln Center Festival.
>
> Soft-spoken and bookish in spectacles, Mr. Levy, 61, does not immediately
> come across as a tough commander, but he has considerable experience under
> his belt. He has served as president of the International Rescue 
> Committee,
> the refugee organization; executive director of the 92nd Street Y; and
> president of the AT&T Foundation, which supports many programs in the
> performing and visual arts.
>
> Still, in assuming the mantle at Lincoln Center after a period of 
> squabbles,
> he inherited ³a considerable amount of stress² on campus, said Bernard
> Gersten, executive producer of Lincoln Center Theater.
>
> ³I think he¹s done remarkably well,² Mr. Gersten said. ³The acrimony has
> totally disappeared. I walk by the construction site: that which seemed
> theoretical four years ago is now actually happening.²
>
> Construction is under way on the first phase of the redevelopment: a $650
> million overhaul of the West 65th Street artery, including a refurbished
> Alice Tully Hall and Juilliard School. The constituents have approved
> concept designs for the next phase, an upgrade of the plaza, the fountain
> and the Columbus Avenue entrance.
>
> Lincoln Center has raised $348 million of its $459 million share of the
> project. The constituents are responsible for the rest, and Mr. Levy is
> leading an effort to have Lincoln Center match what they raise: 20 percent
> of the first $25 million and 15 percent of everything over that amount.
>
> ³Even before he came, we said we would break ground in ¹06, but we 
> wouldn¹t
> have broken ground in ¹06 if it weren¹t for him,² said Rebecca Robertson,
> the former executive director of the redevelopment. ³He went out and 
> figured
> out how to build the board and create committees to raise money.²
>
> Mr. Levy also sought to keep the New York City Opera as part of Lincoln
> Center after the opera company almost defected to a proposed site at 
> ground
> zero. He was involved in City Opera¹s subsequent bid to build a new hall 
> at
> the former site of the American Red Cross on Amsterdam Avenue at 66th
> Street. Although that project fell through in May, City Opera came away
> committed to finding a location close to Lincoln Center and maintaining 
> its
> affiliation.
>
> Mr. Levy also attends Lincoln Center events almost every night of the 
> week.
> ³He¹s at all the performances and knows what¹s going on,² said Zarin 
> Mehta,
> the president and executive director of the New York Philharmonic.
>
> While Lincoln Center¹s main attraction is still its artistic content, Mr.
> Levy argues that the performances alone are not sufficient to attract
> today¹s audiences. ³That sufficiency is the environment we create, the
> barriers we break down in the sense that Lincoln Center is open and
> accessible to those of all income classes from all over the city and the
> country,² he said.
>
> In broadening Lincoln Center¹s purview, Mr. Levy appears to have the 
> strong
> support of the constituents, although some felt he overstepped with the 
> man
> in the water tank.
>
> ³I thought the David Blaine was an error in judgment,² Mr. Gersten said. 
> ³It
> was not appropriate as a use of the plaza space. There was the atmosphere 
> of
> a carnival.²
>
> Mr. Bennack, who approved the decision, said, ³I¹m not sure I would do it
> again.² But he added, ³It did get a lot of publicity and introduced people
> to Lincoln Center.²
>
> Katherine G. Farley, a senior managing director at the Tishman Speyer real
> estate corporation, who is chairwoman of Lincoln Center¹s redevelopment,
> said the debate about that spectacle was worthwhile in and of itself.
> ³Controversy of that sort attracts people interested in seeing something
> new,² she said, just as the redevelopment is partly intended ³to attract a
> younger, hipper, more edgy crowd.²
>
> Mr. Bennack said he saw part of his role as reining in Mr. Levy¹s sizable
> ambitions with a dose of pragmatism. But, he added, he appreciates his
> counterpart¹s tendency to think big.
>
> ³At the end of the day,² he said, ³he comes to realistic conclusions.²
>
>
>
>
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