[Dixielandjazz] Aunt Hagar's Blues

[rahberry at comcast.net]

Hi Bill and DJML,
To me Limehouse Blues has a line that says "Say it with a beautiful song" from Say It With Music.  Anybody else agree?
--Rae Ann


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From: "Tom Duncan" <tduncan at bellatlantic.net>
> To shed some light on this confusion for Bill Gunter and Jim Briant and all
> of us, redhotjazz.com has "The Hooking Cow Blues" recorded by "Handy's
> Orchestra of Memphis" on 9-24-17 in New York for Columbia (Columbia A2420 or
> Columbia 2913). Maybe Bill from Oz can weigh in with the definitive answer
> as he so often does.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Tom Duncan
> 201-836-6076
> www.doctordubious.com
> doctordubious at verizon.net  
> 
>   
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: dixielandjazz-bounces at ml.islandnet.com
> [mailto:dixielandjazz-bounces at ml.islandnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill Gunter
> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 12:01 AM
> To: jobriant at garlic.com; dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> Subject: RE: [Dixielandjazz] Aunt Hagar's Blues
> 
> Hi Jim and all,
> 
> You write (concerning "Aunt Hagar's Blues") that the Neighbors book and the 
> Firehouse book have virtually identical versions. You also mention that the 
> Anderson book provides a nearly identical version although the title in the 
> Anderson book is one word longer than the others.
> 
> Then you go on to state: "To further confuse the situation . . ."
> 
> Now I have to admit here that I'm at a loss to figure out where the actual 
> confusion lies. Let me see . . . you cite four sources (including the two 
> from the Anderson book) that are all virtually the same and you find this 
> "confusing"?  That really confuses me.  The fact that three difference 
> sources tend to agree on some issue would hardly qualify as "confusing."  
> I'd probably be more confused if they didn't agree.
> 
> However, you go on to state (after the "confusion" part): "[To further 
> confuse the situation,] I recently purchased a CD of recordings made by W.C.
> 
> Handy's Memphis Blues Band between 1917 and 1923.  One of the tunes on the 
> record is called the "Honking Cow Blues." It contains the
> distinctive second strain of "Aunt Hagar's Blues."
> 
> This shouldn't be of any great concern. It happens quite often.  For 
> example, has anyone noticed in the tune "East St. Louis Toodle-oo" that one 
> of the strains sound suspiciously like "I Wish I Could Shimmy Like my Sister
> 
> Kate"? There are numerous occasions where similar sounding strains show up 
> in different tunes.
> 
> I've never heard of "Honking Cow Blues" and my attempts to Google it up have
> 
> led noplace. But it doesn't surprise me that you might find a strain therein
> 
> associated with some other tune.
> 
> Matter of fact, that might make an interesting thread:
> 
> "Can you think of tunes which contain distinctive strains from some other 
> traditional jazz tune?"
> 
> I already listed one ("East St. Louis Toodle-oo" and "Sister Kate") above.
> 
> Respectfully submitted,
> 
> Bill Gunter
> jazzboard at hotmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >From: "James O'Briant" <jobriant at garlic.com>
> >To: <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> >Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Aunt Hagar's Blues
> >Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 14:01:20 -0700
> >
> >Here's a question for some of the archivist on this list....
> >
> >Two of the bands with which I sub from time to time play "Aunt Hagar's
> >Blues." Both play it from the lead sheet that's # 295 in the Neighbors Fake
> >Book.  The Firehouse Fake Book (where it's # 387) is virtually identical.
> >
> >The same tune (all three strains) appears twice in the Anderson Collection
> >-- once in Volume 1, Page 59, and once in Vol. I of the "With Verses"
> >section, Page 122V.  The tune is again nearly identical, but in both places
> >Anderson gives the title as "Aunt Hagar's Children's Blues."
> >
> >To further confuse the situation, I recently purchased a CD of recordings
> >made by W.C. Handy's Memphis Blues Band between 1917 and 1923.  One of the
> >tones on the record is called the "Honking Cow Blues." It contains the
> >distinctive second strain of "Aunt Hagar's Blues."
> >
> >Can anyone clear up the title discrepancy, and illuminate any connection
> >between "Aunt Hagar" and "Honking Cow?"
> >
> >Jim O'Briant
> >Tuba
> >Gilroy, CA
> >
> >
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