[Fwd: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Re Roots of Jazz and Blues]

[Mike]

Well spoken Tom. I give thanks to my ancestors everyday for the 
struggles they dealt with and the music they gave us. ;-)

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Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Re Roots of Jazz and Blues
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:08:17 -0400
From: tcashwigg at aol.com
To: darnhard at ozemail.com.au, anton.crouch at optusnet.com.au
CC: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com

Hi Dan:

Your are about as close to right as it is ever gonna get,  even though
many on this fine list think it all started with them Italian fellers
The  Dukes of Dixieland. :))

It jist ain't so folks so git over it, we got it from a bunch of early
American illegal and unwilling  aliens brought here as slaves by our
puritan fore fathers who could not even speak a word of the King's
English and learned it from the Bible in the Barn at night because
Massa's wife figured that the good book couldn't do them no harm.   So
it all began with the field hollers, then gosple then Blues and then
Jazz as they go t more education.

We damned sure still owe the Early Black American musicians of the
southern States a great debt of gratitude for giving us some great
music to play, no matter how white we have made it.

Cheers,

Tom Wiggins
Saint Gabriel's Celestial Brass Band taking it back the other way.  :))
   And if ya'll doubt it ask my listmate friends  Bob Romans and Dave
RICHOUX who have had fun with us the last couple of days.



-----Original Message-----
From: darnhard at ozemail.com.au
To: anton.crouch at optusnet.com.au
Cc: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
Sent: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 4:23 PM
Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Re Roots of Jazz and Blues

   Hi Anton. 
  Why not? Your second suggestion re gospel singing and jazz is almost
certainly true - see the Ancestry of Jazz. As for rural roots of jazz,
if we assume the blues a necessary component of early jazz it probably
came to New Orleans via the rural cornfield/cottonfield shouts and the
riverside coonjine songs. However Jelly Roll said the blues were played
in New Orleans before he was born, so it could have evolved there, with
the influx of workers from the plantations after the Civil war. 
Dan Hardie 
 
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~darnhard/EarlyJazzHistory.html 
http://tinyurl.com/nqaup 
 
On Saturday, July 15, 2006, at 12:06 PM, Anton Crouch wrote: 
 
> 
> Hello all 
> 
  > Those interested in the music of Georgia Tom Dorsey will find a 1992
> book 
  > by Michael Harris of value. The title is "The rise of gospel blues"
and 
> Amazon has both new and used copies. 
> 
  > Gospel blues is an interesting subject and, as an urban phenomenon,
is > much 
  > more recent than most people believe. The subject matter, as well as
> being 
  > interesting in itself, is of relevance to the history of jazz and >
blues in 
> general. 
> 
  > Would anyone consider the possibility that jazz is a rural
phenomenon > and 
  > blues an urban one; and that both have their roots in 19th century >
gospel 
  > singing? Harris certainly does not suggest this and I'm sure most >
people 
> would reject it. But .... 
> 
> Provocatively, 
> Anton 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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