[Dixielandjazz] Entertainer discussion...

[iVOR jONES]

I have been out of the country for a couple of weeks so I do not know how 
this subject was started. Please excuse me if this has already been posted, 
but  I seemed to remember that there are two tunes with virtually the same 
title, so I checked. My ever fading memory came up trumps. Of course Scott 
Joplin wrote 'The Entertainer' but Jay Roberts wrote 'Entertainer's Rag', 
published by Pacific Coast Music , September 1910. I don't know if it was 
ever recorded. I also don't know if this has had anything to do with the 
discussion.

Glad to be back

Ivor Jones



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stephen Heist" <steveheist at earthlink.net>
To: "DJML Dixieland Jazz" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 7:58 PM
Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Entertainer discussion...


> Hi guys...
>
> Being an old ragtime man myself from St. Louis, I am almost positive that 
> J. R. Johnson wrote the LYRICS to "The Entertainer!!! (Yes, I HAVE seen 
> the lyrics. I promise you, they DO exsist!)
> (They're NOT that great :-) But I DO remember Trebor Tichenor (St. Louis 
> Ragtimers) showing me a copy and I think THAT'S where the confusion has 
> come in. I know for a FACT that Joplin wrote "The Entertainer" (the 
> music...).
>
> Believe this or not, my aunt "Myrtle" came in one day while I was 
> practicing the Maple Leaf Rag and asked me, "Isn't that Scott Joplin?" I 
> was stunned because I had NO idea she knew ANYTHING about ragtime, so I 
> said, "Yes mam, but how did YOU know???" She said, "Well, Clara Stark, at 
> out bridge club used to sit and play the dickens out of that song and used 
> to shout and laugh, "This is where our family made all our money!"" I 
> immediately sat my aunt down and got tons of great stories about those 
> grand old days :-) (P.S. Clara was John Stark's (publisher's) daughter...)
>
> Hope this helps...
> All the Best,
> Steve Heist
>
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>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Anton Crouch <anton.crouch at optusnet.com.au>
>> To: DJML <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>> Date: 2/21/2006 12:36:36 AM
>> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Entertainer/Bunk Johnson - more
>>
>> Hello all
>>
>> I also have the 2 LP set (Kid Ory/Bunk Johnson) that Geoff Holden (via 
>> Bill
>> Haesler) provided details for. Mine is Dutch CBS however - CBS 88144. 
>> It's
>> a repackaging of two US Columbias - Kid Ory (CL 835) and Bunk Johnson (GL
>> 520/ML 4802).
>>
>> The credits for "The Entertainer" are
>>
>> Inner sleeve: Scott Joplin - Arr. J.R. Johnson
>> Label: J.R. Johnson , E.B. Marks Music Corp.
>>
>> My conclusions are, (a) to agree with Bill Haesler that "J.R. Johnson" is
>> not Joplin's contemporary J. Rosamond Johnson, and (b) that the name of 
>> the
>> "other" J.R. Johnson on the Columbia issue(s) is not a mistake but a
>> reflection of the "other" Johnson's claim to the piece.
>>
>> The plot does indeed thicken.
>>
>> All the best
>> Anton
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