[Dixielandjazz] Re: accoustics and the drumer/piano

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I went to a church that had a Christian rock band on stage as a regular part
of the service.  The spooky thing was that all instruments including the
drums (electronic) were piped to speakers above and behind the congregation.
The drummer had to be hearing his sound almost as an echo.  They did have
monitors so that may have minimized the problem.

Pipe Organ players learn to live with a delay. I understand there is a delay
from the time the key goes down and the pipe is triggered and a few ms
before the pipe resonates.  This could be the reason that many of the pipe
organists that I have heard tend to be vague with their rhythm.  I think
they are listening for the sound to come out and get to them.  Are there any
Organists out there?

I play with the Scottish Rite Brass in St. Louis.  We have a very large
cathedral and the pipes are not real close to the organist.  Playing the
brass parts with the organists is always a problem.  Sometimes it sounds
like a Jr. High band and the players in this group are some of the best
brass musicians in St. Louis.  Then add the choir.  It does get interesting
sometimes.  The organist is a fine piano player and has been a pro here for
years.  It's the tricky sound problems and how each musician handles them.

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Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 11:25 PM
Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Re: accoustics and the drumer/piano


> In a message dated 3/29/2005 12:00:48 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> dixielandjazz-request at ml.islandnet.com writes:
> I just know that there is more than 25
> mS between the position of the piano to the drums & the piano on a large
> stage when you account for the area above (where all the scenery floats!).
>  I just know that there is more than 25
> mS between the position of the piano to the drums & the piano on a large
> stage when you account for the area above (where all the scenery floats!).
> * * *  *
>
> Sound travels "approximately" 1,000 ft/second.  A 25ms delay is
approximately
> 25 feet.... Two sources of sound - one 25 foot farther from the listener
than
> the other - can easily be percieved.  In other words the pianist who
> accoustically hears his/her rhytym line from the piano may  have a
challenge when
> hearing a drummer's rhythm line who is 25 or more foot distant.  Add to
the fact
> that the pianist may hear multiple reflections of the drummer's rhythm
line
> because of  the sound bouncing off the walls, ceiling, and other hard
> surfaces..... each of these reflected sound waves travel further distances
between the
> source (drum) and the listener (pianist) - the further the distance, the
longer
> it takes to reach the ears.   Yes?  No?
>
> The moral of the story is that it pays to learn the drums and not the
piano.
> The drummer causes  the problem and the pianist must live with it :-))))
>
> Gordon of Northridge
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