[Dixielandjazz] Source for picture of LouisArmstrong'sOriginalAll Stars

[Fred Spencer]

In view of the politically correct theme, I was being safe when I used 
"older" for John S. Wilson, although the 20 for 29 (1958-1987) was an 
error--I have to use my fingers! He was 45 in 1958 and 74 in 1987. Cheers.
Fred.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Fred Spencer" <drjz at bealenet.com>
To: "Stan Brager" <sbrager at socal.rr.com>
Cc: <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Source for picture of
LouisArmstrong'sOriginalAll Stars


> Dear Stan,
> The status of big, and small band jazz is described in Laurence Bergman's
> "Louis Armstrong. An Extragavant Life" (Broadway Books, 1997), and in the
> liiner note you mention by John S. Wilson (Time Life "Giants of Jazz"
> series,1987). However, to confuse things, Wilson's liner note has the
> heading "Pennies from Heaven. Louis Armstrong and His All Stars", recorded
> with Peanuts Hucko et al.on May 17,1947 at the Town Hall Concert. The
> question now becomes"when does a band become a band--with or without a
> name, or with or without a recording?
> Incidentally, John S Wilson , who reviewed jazz for the New York Times and
> High Fidelity Magazine, wrote "The Collectors Jazz. Traditional and Swing"
> (1958,), and "The Collectors Jazz. Modern" (1959), both published by J. B
> Lippincott. In the former, he says under Louis Armstrong--"A concert held
> at Town Hall in New York launched, in effect if not in actual fact, the
> small group with which he has been travelling throughout the world ever
> since..." Does this answer the question or had he changed his mind in the
> 20 years between the book and the liner note, become careless, better
> informed, more opinionated, or older? The pros and cons of these questions
> could be discussed ad infinitum.Who knows. I don't! Cheers
> Fred
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Stan Brager" <sbrager at socal.rr.come a band, when it first plays
> (perhaps ) or when it first recordss.>
> To: "Fred Spencer" <drjz at bealenet.com>
> Cc: <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 2:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Source for picture of Louis
> Armstrong'sOriginalAll Stars
>
>
>> Fred;
>>
>> To set the stage for the coming of the all star concept, let's remember
>> that
>> by 1946, the stature and the financial rewards of the big bands had
>> fallen
>> dramatically. Louis Armstrong was no exception to this phenomenon.
>> Satchmo
>> had appeared with small groups on V-Discs, Esquire concerts, Carnegie
>> Hall
>> and Town Hall. These engagements were merely one time shots and did not
>> represent themselves as Louis Armstrong organizations in any way. Louis'
>> organization consisted of an 16 piece big band.
>>
>> While the Town Hall concert featured many of the players who would later
>> become part of Armstrong's All-Stars, this was a concert with Louis with
>> a
>> group of jazz stars but without his regular band at the time.
>> Furthermore,
>> the Town Hall concert was produced by Ernie Anderson who hired the
>> players.
>> It wasn't until the concert was shown to be a financial success that Joe
>> Glasser (Louis' manager) decided to drop the band in favor of the
>> All-Star
>> concept. The rest is well-known.
>>
>> By the way, there were 2 drummers at Town Hall - Big Sid played the first
>> half and George Wettling the second half.
>>
>> This information comes from Dan Morgenstern's liner notes to the RCA CD
>> "Pops: The 1940's Small-Band Sides", The Time-Life Giants Of Jazz - Louis
>> Armstrong with "Notes on the music" by John S. Wilson, and the French RCA
>> CD
>> "Louis Armstrong At Town Hall" with notes by Daniel Nevers and Iraskli De
>> Davrichewi.
>>
>> Stan
>> Stan Brager
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Fred Spencer" <drjz at bealenet.com>
>> To: "Stan Brager" <sbrager at socal.rr.com>
>> Cc: <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 8:10 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Source for picture of Louis
>> Armstrong'sOriginalAll Stars
>>
>>
>>> Dear Stan,
>>> Yes, Dick Cary was first. Michael Meckina in "The Louis Armstrong
>>> Encyclopedia" ( Greenwood Press, 2004), says that the  All Stars first
>>> performed in a May 7,1947 Town Hall concert. However, although Louis had
>>> assembled the band, he had a "stomach ulcer flair-up [sic]"  and Bobby
>>> Hackett was the leader. Meckina adds that the original (I assume at the
>> Town
>>> Hall) personnel was Jack Teagarden, Peanuts Hucko, Dick Cary, Bob
>>> Haggart,
>>> and Big Sid Catlett, but with no attribution of the source. All this
>>> seems
>>> somewhat dubious but...?
>>> There is a picture of the originals with Dick Cary and Velma Middleton,
>> "in
>>> concert in Boston, 1947", in "Louis Armstrong. A Cultural Legacy" (
>>> Queens
>>> Museum of Art and University of Washington Press,1994). I should be most
>>> gratreful if you could send me the origin of your more believable
>>> information. All the best.
>>> Fred
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Stan Brager" <sbrager at socal.rr.com>
>>> To: <FOThree at aol.com>; <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 3:29 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Source for picture of Louis
>>> Armstrong'sOriginalAll Stars
>>>
>>>
>>> > The original All Star line-up included Dick Cary on piano in lieu of
>> Earl
>>> > Hines. Their debut came on August 13, 1947 at Billy Berg's night club
>>> > in
>>> > Los
>>> > Angeles. The All Stars made their recording debut on October 16, 1947
>> and
>>> > cut 4 sides for RCA Victor:
>>> >
>>> > A Song Was Born
>>> > Please Stop Playing Those Blues, Boy
>>> > Before Long
>>> > Lovely Weather We're Having
>>> >
>>> > Soon after these recordings were made, Earl Hines replaced Dick Cary.
>>> >
>>> > Sorry I don't have the picture you requested.
>>> >
>>> > Stan
>>> > Stan Brager
>>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> > From: <FOThree at aol.com>
>>> > To: <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>>> > Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 3:04 PM
>>> > Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Source for picture of Louis Armstrong's
>>> > OriginalAll
>>> > Stars
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> Gentelmen:
>>> >> Can anyone refer me to a book that would have a picture of Louis and
>> his
>>> >> original all stars - Jack T., Barney, Earl Hines, Big Sid, and Arvel
>>> > Shaw -  with
>>> >> or without Velma?
>>> >> Fred Ollison
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
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>>
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