Even artillery has been used in music a la 1812 Overture. Very impressive when they line those howitzers up and fire away. Scares the songs right out of any birds in the neighborhood. Barett Deems and Elvin Jones were quiet by comparison. :-) VBG Cheers, Steve (boom, boom) Barbone PS. If a drummer does not tune his drums, is it music? ;-) VBG