Fw: [Dixielandjazz]Professional jazz musicians

[Fred Spencer]

With apologies.
Fred
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Fred Spencer" <drjz at bealenet.com>
To: "PJ Ladd" <pj.ladd at btopenworld.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz]Professional jazz musicians


> The historical interest I have extends to cricket as I kept wicket for
> Durham University. The Gentlemen v Players was played more often at Lords,
> the true Mecca of world cricket. The Players won 112, the Gents 65
matches,
> 70 were drawn, and one tied in the series. I believe in quoting sources of
> information when possible, hence - SIR  Pelham Warner (a real gentleman!).
> "Gentlemen v Players 1806-1949" (Harrap,1950). That, I am  sure. is more
> than you need, or even want to know - but Pat made me do it! Cheers.
> Fred
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "PJ Ladd" <pj.ladd at btopenworld.com>
> To: <TCASHWIGG at aol.com>
> Cc: "jazz" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 7:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz]Professional jazz musicians
>
>
> > Hi,
> > There has been some discussion about professional and amateur musicians.
> > With some prompting from Glen Page, I would further muddy the waters by
> > bringing to your attention a famous series of cricket matches played
> > annually in England , where else, the Gentlemen versus the Players. This
> > match, played at the Oval, the Mecca of English cricket, was a fixture
> from
> > the 1800`s until after WW2.
> > The Players were the paid professionals who made their living from
> cricket,
> > the Gentlemen were to some extent dilletantes.
> > The Players, although the cream of the countries cricketers were still
> > expected to carry the kit around, clean mud from boots etc., The
Gentlemen
> > expected the servants, and other lower classes to do that sort of thing.
> > A strange phenomenon that the people who were the best at their craft
> should
> > be slightly looked down on by the amateur as though there was something
> > rather reprehensible about playing sport for money.
> > I do not follow sport as I consider the `sportsmen` we see capering
about
> on
> > TV ,giving high fives and cuddling each other a lot of overpaid poofters
> who
> > should be on the stage, so I would not consider myself in any way an
> > authority  on sport yet strangely I find myself on the side of the
amateur
> >
> > Do you still want to be a Player?
> >
> > I am sure that this has been no help whatever and has not moved the
> > discussion on one iota. I can only say, Glen made me do it.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Pat
> >
> >
> >
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