[Dixielandjazz] RE: Milneburg Joys from Pat Cooke
dongumpert at cox.net
Tue Sep 23 20:14:49 PDT 2003
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Cooke" <pcooke at cox.net>
To: "Don Gumpert" <dongumpert at cox.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] RE: Milneburg Joys
> Sandy...you can forward this to the list if you like.
> One more time!.....
> Alexander Milne owned most of the land at the shore of Lake
> Pontchartrain, and he built the resort (named Milneburg) on the shore of
> lake at the end of Elysian Fields Ave. I wasn't around in 1830, but ever
> since I was a kid growing up in New Orleans (I was 6 in 1933), it was
> pronounced Mill-en-burg here in N.O.
> Milne also donated money for a home for boys. There is also a Milne
> home for girls. Those are both pronounced Mill-ney. There is also a
> named Milne, also pronounced Mill-ney.
> New Orleans is a town that corrupts the pronunciation of many words,
> and they're not even consistent about it. New Orleans (Or' lins) is in
> Orleans (Or-leens') parish, and there Orleans (also Or-leens') street. I
> could cite a number of accepted
> (mis)pronunciations in this town that defy explanation. Are they correct
> because of popular usage? Who's to say? Even experts may not agree.
> How the spelling Milenburg got on the sheet music is anybody's
> guess...as Ernie suggests, it's probably an error on the part of who
> transcribed the original chart and misspelled the title to sound like the
> 'accepted' pronunciation, or the publisher (obviously not a New Orleanian)
> made the error.
> Although it is always written Milneburg, I have NEVER, EVER heard
> ANYONE in New Orleans say "Mill-ney-burg". When the tune is to be played,
> they simply call out "Mill'-en-burg". They always have, and probably will
> as long as there's somebody who still knows it. Call it Mill-ney-burg,
> everyone will know you're from out of town. And just forget My'-len-burg
> altogether. The fact that Milenburg is on the chart is
> here reads it anyway....we all know it.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don Gumpert" <dongumpert at cox.net>
> To: "Patrick Cooke" <pcooke at cox.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 3:43 PM
> Subject: Fw: [Dixielandjazz] RE: Milneburg Joys
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jim Marsh" <jimbanjo at telus.net>
> > To: <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 2:53 PM
> > Subject: [Dixielandjazz] RE: Milneburg Joys
> > Ernie Landes asked:
> > >growing up in Milneburg. Which brings up a question that our band
> > >argues about all the time. What is the correct pronunciation of
> > >"Milneburg"? Is it:
> > >1. MILE-EN-burg
> > >2. MILL-EN-burg
> > >3. MILL-NE-burg
> > >4. MILL-'N-burg
> > In reference to the tune (not the town), I have heard mostly #1 and
> > #3 used with an occasional #4, but who is to say which is correct? I
> > suspect
> > that any sheet music will use the spelling Milenberg rather than
> > which to me would suggest #1. Whether this spelling indicates
> > the part of the composers or publisher's error or perhaps legal
> > considerations
> > vis-à-vis using the name exactly as spelled I know not. My copy uses
> > spelling, and shows credits to Walter Melrose, Leon Roppolo, Paul Mares
> > Jelly Roll Morton, possibly none of whom were that well educated.
> > A brief history of Milneburg states:
> > ---------------------------------------->
> > The city of Milneburg, developed by Alexander Milne during the 1830's,
> > Elysian Fields and the lake created new interest in the lake shore area.
> > Beginning in 1832 the Pontchartrain Railway (Smoky Mary) brought the
> > folks
> > to the lake to enjoy the camps and resorts.
> > ----------------------------------------->
> > Now here's the hooker . . . in my native UK I would call him
> > Alexander Miln . . as in "film". Having said that, I just realised that
> > lot
> > of people say "fillum". Here in Canada it is quite common to pronounce
> > name Millen. So I suppose the correct pronunciation would be whatever
> > Alexander was called in 1830.
> > All of which has absolutely nothing at all to do with Milenberg Joys
> > does it?? :~}
> > Cheers,
> > Jim Marsh
> > www.gdjb.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > Dixielandjazz mailing list
> > Dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> > http://ml.islandnet.com/mailman/listinfo/dixielandjazz
More information about the Dixielandjazz