[Dixielandjazz] Mostly Self Taught Musicians

Don Ingle dingle at baldwin-net.com
Fri Sep 12 19:04:42 PDT 2003

Sorry Steve:
You're off  the mark on Red Nichols being self-taught. Red was, in fact,
highly taught and trained. His father was professor of music at Weber
College in Ogden UT - Red's sister was a cellist who played with the San
Francisco Symphony, and Red studied with teacher such as Max Schlossberg and
was one of the best working, club and studio, gigging recording musicians in
NY in the 1920's on the basis of his ability to walk in,sit down, and sight
read whatever pat was put in front of him. He even conducted scores as well
as wrote arrangements. He was conductor of the pit orchestra on one of
Gerschwin's musicals, Girl Crazy, and recorded so many sides with '20's NY
record companies that Rust almost ran out of paper and ink  trying to get
them all in his discography.
Red was my first teacher and my long-time mentor, and he was one of the most
proficient and capable musicians - jazz gig or studio -- there ever was.
No way self taught!
Don Ingle

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Barbone" <barbonestreet at earthlink.net>
To: "Dixieland Jazz Mailing List" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 1:35 PM
Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Mostly Self Taught Musicians

> In an off list conversation with Warren Vache Sr, (One of the great jazz
> players who knows more about the music than most of us) he suggested
> that my short list of mostly self taught jazz musicians was "too short".
> He is right and I bow to his wisdom. Said the maestro:
> "I  think  your "short  list"  is a bit too  short.   How  about Jack
> Teagarden,  Red Nichols, Frank Trumbauer,  Benny  Goodman,   Bobby
> Hackett,  Bud Freeman---and a  few  hundred  others?"
> By the way, Vache Sr. leads the "Syncopatin Seven" jazz band which is
> excellent. How many of us have bought his CDs? Do it now as the band is
> great and he is a giant of a player who should be recognized as a
> "National Treasure."
> Cheers,
> Steve Barbone
> PS. Yes, he is that old and he is the father of Warren Vache Jr, and
> Allan Vache.
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