[Dixielandjazz] Re: King Oliver-Louis Armstrong

[W.P. Mossel]

At 03/06/23 21:39 -0700, Stephen Barbone  wrote:
> > >Of course you have heard a better Dippermouth we all have. The object
> > >was not to make the "best" Dippermouth Blues, but to pay homage to King
> > >Oliver and his contribution to jazz at the time. King Oliver was
> > >immediately eclipsed by Louis Armstrong, etc, etc, etc. Everything he
> > >did was done better by Louis later on.
> > A bit to simple in my opinion. I have never heard of  Louis a better Sugar
> > Foot Stomp than King Oliver made with the Dixie Syncopators May 29, 1926.
>
>OK, if you say so, everything but Sugar Foot Stomp. :-)
>
>But keep listening, maybe Bill Haseler will come up with a better version 
>by Louis.
>There may have even been one live out there, never recorded, that we all 
>missed. In any
>event, what we have on the records doesn't come close to what they were 
>playing live.
>
>Who can define "better"? Louis supposedly said when asked what jazz was 
>replied: "Jazz
>is what you are." That makes us all experts about who is better than whom. 
>And it is why
>we disagree on subjective matters that have no final answer.

I agree with that.
And that is why I disagree with your statement "King Oliver was
immediately eclipsed by Louis Armstrong, etc, etc, etc. Everything he
did was done better by Louis later on".
Don't misunderstand me, I don't say that King Oliver was a better 
cornet/trumpet player than Louis Armstong in general. In my opinion Louis 
made more toppers than King Olver. But to say that King Oliver was eclipsed 
by Louis Armstong is an underrating of King Oliver.
How about Henry "Red" Allen and Bix Beiderbecke for instance? Are they 
eclipsed too?

>Any statement anyone of us makes is bound to be erroneous in the eyes of 
>at least one
>list mate. So, you "pays your money and takes your choice" to quote an 
>American slang
>expression.




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Wim Mossel

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