[Dixielandjazz] Re: Turk's Horn?
Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:39:01 -0400
Well, thanks a million for that veritable mine of fascinating information.
We slavering trombonists out here on the DJML (there are quite a few of us)
really appreciate this sort of inside scoop. Thanks also to Dottie Lawless
for the input on Turk's mouthpieces.
Over the years I have moved away from the slightly larger bore trombone
(i.e. King 3B) and find the regular bore to produce a brighter, punchier and
more immediate sound - for myself anyway. My main horns are a Reynolds
Emperor and a Bach Stradivarius -both regular bore. I prefer the Reynolds
Hot Five Jazzmakers, Toronto, Canada
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Re: Turk's Horn?
> In a message dated 9/11/02 8:28:08 AM Central Daylight Time,
> email@example.com writes:
> > Cary,
> > The photos do not indicate that his horns are particularly big, that I
> > tell. I think the truth lies more in his mouthpiece, his chops and a
> > lung capacity but I am only guessing.
> > Kid Ory's horns in photos always look like small bore to me and he had a
> > lovely wide tone too.
> Turk Murphy played a Conn 32H. The 32H was a large bore tenor trombone
> that Conn stopped making many years ago. It was a damn good horn but a
> size more used by symphony trombonists that jazz guys. I found that out
> hard way.
> A dealer friend of mine found one in good shape and I took it to play on a
> recording date. I had played around on it briefly and it felt good and
> good slide. The recording date was going along fine and I was playing
> decently when all of a sudden the larger bore hit me. I had to really dig
> and sweated getting through the rest of the session.
> The larger bore size is not necessarily a problem as it is mainly a matter
> getting used to it. I have found that larger bore horns work better in
> concert hall situations where you have good accoustics and resonance and
> smaller bore horns work better in clubs which have, usually poorer
> and less resonance.
> Another dealer friend of mine once acquired a mint 32 H trombone and I
> Turk and told him about it as I knew that he would pick it up. He
> Turk played an old Conn mouthpiece that I suppose originally came with the
> horn. It is a little unusual and fairly deep. I found one a few years
> and gave or sold it to Tom Barlett. I Forget the exact name of it.
> Kid Ory played a Williams Model 4 trombone. Williams was a small company
> that made three models. They had great slides and the bell was set a
> closer so that theoretically you can hear yourself better. I always
> Williams because two of my fovorites, Ory and Teagarden, both played the
> Williams model 4. Old man Williams died and his son Bob took over. He
> died and that was the end of the Williams until about 12 years ago. A
> classical trombonists, Joe Armstrong, fell in love with the Williams,
> contacted the family and puchased the remaining parts, plans etc. He
> making the Willams again and the reports on the new Williams were very
> favorable. I called Armstrong up and found that the price was $1200.00
> the only made so many models a year. The price was stiff for me then but
> got it together and bought one. It was and is a delight...the best slide I
> ever had and slides are an ongoing problem to trombonists.
> Spiegel Willcox used to come in Chicago and would always come and play
> my band. He fell in love with the Williams trombone. He is now in his
> and he is going to buy a new trombone? I gave him Armstrong's number and
> few days later Speigel called me, raving that the price of the Williams
> gone up to $1800. Speigel never did buy one. The price went up even
> and a few years later and then Joe Armstrong stopped making the Williams.
> understand the the Callichio trumpet Co. now makes them.
> The question remains...why would anyone want to play a trombone?
> Jim Beebe