[Dixielandjazz] Unwritten rules??/

Ron L'Herault Ron L'Herault" <lherault@bu.edu
Wed, 11 Sep 2002 18:04:48 -0400

I don't think it is a good thing to do.  It is implying that the band you
are with now is not good or that yours is better.  You are biting the hand
that feeds you since it was the leader who got the job.  You may be cutting
your fellow bandsmen out of a job if you succeed.   If the band were not
working there again, then it would be acceptable to go back and make a pitch
for a different band.

Ron L
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Gunter" <jazzboard@hotmail.com>
To: <dixielandjazz@ml.islandnet.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 3:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Unwritten rules??/

> Hi Listmates,
> Bob Romans poses the hypothetical situation:
> >. . . your band is booked at a local country club. It pays $100 per man,
> >and is a very nice gig!! Everything is going great, the band is cookin'!
> >During the last break, you find the manager and let him know you've
> >the gig, and you hope he'll call you again, so you hand him your card,
> >he informs you that one of your sidemen just gave him HIS card, and
> >suggested he call HIM the next time if he wanted a band since he, too,
> >a band.
> >What would YOU do?? Is this an ethical thing for a sideman to do? Would
> >hire that sideman again for another gig?
> I'm gonna take a stab at this question even though I am actually a current
> sideman in Bob's band "Cell Block  7"
> Just because your band has been booked at a venue does NOT give you the
> exclusive right to all future bookings at that venue. The very fact that
> uses the words "unwritten rules" tells you instantly that it is actually
> a rule at all.
> It's not even a breach of etiquette or ethical conduct. I have a band and
> would not hesitate to tell the manager of a venue about the availability
> my band even though I might be playing there with some other band.
> I'd ask Bob a couple of questions.
> 1. Suppose the sideman waits a day after the gig and then goes to the club
> manager and offers his card with the suggestion the manager might be
> interested in hiring his band. Is that OK? If it's OK the next day why
> it OK any time?
> 2. If the answer is "No, it's not OK" then when is it OK for the sideman
> make a pitch to the club manager?
> 3. If the answer is Never! Then do you assume only you have any right to
> gig?
> 4. If you answer question 3 "Yes, only the original leader's band has any
> right to the gig" do you think you are living in the real world?
> 5. What makes any musician think he has exclusive rights to a gig when
> is no contract to that effect?
> 6. If you were a club manager would you sign a contract with band X that
> will henceforth only book band X? I very much doubt it.
> In summary, there is NO rule, written or unwritten, and no force of
> conduct preventing a musician from giving his card to a potential booker
> any time. To assume this practice is "unethical" is to define "ethical" as
> only that behavior that benefits you. This is, of course, pure doo doo.
> I suggest the leader ignore the sideman's conduct and get on with the
> business of leading the band to the best of his ability and not make any
> judgments about any sideman who exercises a perfectly legimite right.
> Respectfully submitted,
> Bill "Anyone Interested In Booking a Washboard Band?" Gunter
> jazzboard@hotmail.com
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