[Dixielandjazz] Fw: [TPIN] jazz club
Bob Romans
cellblk7@attbi.com
Fri, 22 Nov 2002 07:58:42 -0600
Some more about jazz clubs, including the original post...with this group of
trumpets players...most of them are into "modern" jazz, and they wonder why
people don't understand it??? The pseudo intellectuals do?? Remember
"The Emperor's Clothes"??
br
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Ayick <bulos@earthlink.net>
To: Jim Hatfield <jhatpro@mindspring.com>; TPIN <tpin@tpin.dana.edu>
Date: Friday, November 22, 2002 7:10 AM
Subject: Re: [TPIN] jazz club
>Jim
>
> In a period of some 25 years I waw literally hundreds of jazz clubs
>open all around the NY / NJ metro area. The ran the gamut in terms of
>what they offered, who they featured, cuisine, location, etc etc etc.
>I'd say 1% or so of them lasted more then 2 or 3 years while most opened
>and closed in a year or less. People don't support jazz and it has been
>my experience (and I worked many of the jazz clubs in that area and down
>here in South Florida) that most of the people who do frequent them
>don't spend nor do they understand the music.(except for the broke out
>of work musicians that hang there) This is not a reality that pleases me
>for if I have an apptitude for any one particular aspect of trumpet
>playing it would be jazz, and I love the music, but this is how it
>seems to be from where I stand. I have been in clubs time and again that
>did it all correctly and folded. I fail to see what
> 8) Have an early-bird special dinner/dance a couple of times a week. Be
> sure to book a band that can play oldies because oldies is who will be
>your
> best
>
>
>has to do with presenting jazz isn't that sort of thing best left to the
>dance clubs?
>Anyone the term "olies" t John Q Public would mean Elvis, the
>Temptations, and the Beetles and if they showed up and heard a swing
>band most would be dissappointed. Hell I have been on gigs playing for
>people 70 and older and they get bugged if we don't play rock for them
>to dance to. Weather you, I , or we like it or not jazz is not the
>peoples choice and I'd think tech stocks would have as good a return on
>my $ right about now.
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>Jim Hatfield wrote:
>>
>> hey, you're right. he did say jazz club. in that case, he should be sure
>> it's small, smoky, low-ceilinged, with bad sight-lines, lousy sound,
dirty
>> rest rooms, greasy food, cranky wait staff, watered drinks, excessive
cover
>> charge, and shows that start 45 minutes late.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tpin-admin@tpin.dana.edu [mailto:tpin-admin@tpin.dana.edu]On
>> Behalf Of Paul Ayick
>> Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 10:10 PM
>> To: Jim Hatfield; TPIN
>> Subject: Re: [TPIN] jazz club
>>
>>
>> he said a jazz club........where I come from a jazz club doesn't cater
>> to dancers, play oldies or do any of this stuff.........a jazz club was
>> Slugs, The Vanguard, The Five Spot, The Half Note, etc..........
>>
>> Jim Hatfield wrote:
>>
>>>Paul:
>>>
>>>1) Hire an experienced restaurant/club manager you can trust, and then
>>
>> hire
>>
>>>someone to watch him.
>>>2) Find the best chef you can.
>>>3) Spend whatever it takes to get the acoustics right.
>>>4) Book somebody big for the opening.
>>>5) Start marketing the place six months before you open.
>>>6) Invite a local jazz dee-jay to do his or her show from your place
once
>>>or twice a week.
>>>7) Book a variety of bands.
>>>8) Have an early-bird special dinner/dance a couple of times a week. Be
>>
>> sure
>>
>>>to book a band that can play oldies because oldies is who will be your
>>
>> best
>>
>>>customers.
>>>9) Spend the dough to have nice restrooms.
>>>10) Economize on decor by inviting young designer/architects to compete
>>
>> for
>>
>>>the honor.
>>>
>>>Good luck!
>>>
>>>Jim
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: tpin-admin@tpin.dana.edu [mailto:tpin-admin@tpin.dana.edu]On
>>>Behalf Of Paul Ayick
>>>Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 5:41 PM
>>>To: tpin@tpin.dana.edu
>>>Subject: [TPIN] jazz club
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Greetings.....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I am trying to open a Jazz Club...does anyone have any suggestions??
>>>>>
>>>>>This is a new venture for me and I do it for the love of the
>>>>
>>>music.........
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Any suggestions would be appreciated...
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks
>>>>
>>>Yeah.................don't.
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