[Dixielandjazz] Jazz Aspen Snowmass Controversy
G. William Oakley
Sat, 24 Aug 2002 09:25:49 -0600
If you can pull yourself up from the floor and contain your mirth, you will
note that the article refers twice to Jazz Aspen. If I see a news piece
that refers to the Ford Motor company I might in my naivete think they were
referencing a car company. As to being "had by a knee jerk follow the
leader reaction" that's a bit of a stretch. I originated the string and
suggested a response to the matter. Further, anyone who knows me knows that
I am anything but "a follow the leader type." My career history shows that
I started a theatrical enterprise that all "wiser heads" said would not
work. When I retired it was grossing $6,000,000.00 per annum. When I took
over the Goldenrod in 1975 I acquired a jazz festival that was limping along
and within three years it was a major cultural event in St. Louis and
garnering national recognition. Following the leader, not I. Now that I
have had my turn at being pretentious and tooting my horn I will return the
pretension gavel back to its rightful owner.
As a relative newcomer to the list, I do not know what the paranoid
nattering regarding Beebe, Hooks and yourself is all about but from the
tenor of your response to my post I can guess.
G. William Oakley
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Barbone" <email@example.com>
To: "G. William Oakley" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Cc: "DJML" <email@example.com>
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Jazz Aspen Snowmass Controversy
> G. William:
> Well now, where in that article does it say it is a Jazz Festival? Does it
> list the musicians who are appearing? Like Dylan and Willie Nelson? Are
> saying that this article justifies the context of the letters that were
> written, like false advertising, miss-leading people etc. You've been had
> knee jerk follow the leader reaction of people who told you on the list
> this group was touting the Labor Day Festival as a Jazz Festival. That
> contention was simply not true. Get a grip.
> This has been a major music festival for the past 10 years or so. In
> they promote all types of music including lots of jazz. And they have
> sessions to promote jazz among young, talented musicians. They are quite
> at what they do, generating major corporate sponsorships as high as
> major season subscriptions to $2000 per person. The last thing these folks
> worried about is a few misinformed OKOM "fans" who don't know how to read.
> Who among the letter writers read this article and based their letters on
> Pretentious? Not me, I'm rolling on the floor laughing my ass off.
> Steve Barbone
> "G. William Oakley" wrote:
> > Apparently you did not read the Denver article which set off the
> > Here is the article:
> > "All that Jazz Aspen
> > Jazz Aspen boss Jim Horowitz is jazzed about the upcoming Labor Day
> > festival.
> > "The advance sales are triple anything we've had in the past 12 years,"
> > Horowitz. In 2000, it was Lyle Lovett, Joe Cocker, Jimmy Cliff and the
> > Allman Brothers taking the stage. This year, it's Phil Lesh, Macy Gray,
> > Mo', Bob Dylan, Willie Nelson and Nickel Creek.
> > "The Dylan show on Sunday (Sept. 1) is the biggest one of all," says
> > Horowitz. "The venue holds 10,000, and we expect to sell out early on
> > day of the show."
> > It's a new venue this year - the base of Buttermilk Mountain, close to
> > and the action.
> > And the action will be at Colony, a new restaurant/nightclub in town
> > Horowitz will hold court every night after the bands wrap. He's invited
> > the musicians to sit in, so it should be a jam to remember."
> > When I see it in the Denver Post I assume there is a certain amount of
> > to the article. According to you we are supposed to go to their web
> > and verify. If I had seen it on their site should I go to the Post to
> > verify. I don't think so. Thus, your suggestion of reacting to a
> > note is, to put it mildly, nonsense. There is another word I would
> > but I won't. It was a reaction to a legitimate newspaper source and
> > pretentious chiding cannot change that.
> > Regards,
> > G. William Oakley
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Stephen Barbone" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> > To: "Dixieland Jazz Mailing List" <email@example.com>
> > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 1:47 PM
> > Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Jazz Aspen Snowmass Controversy
> > > Well, we got hoisted on our own petards. Maybe all who wrote the
> > > festival producer rushed to judgement? A look at the web site reveals
> > > that Jazz Aspen Snowmass is not the name of the Labor Day Festival.
> > > name of the Festival is something more exotic like "Labor Day
> > >
> > > Jazz Aspen Snowmass is apparently a generic name for the producer
> > > venue.
> > >
> > > Note also that the description of this Labor Day Festival that follows
> > > few paragraphs down, It quotes their site which says "ROCK, FUNK,
> > > SOUL, R & B, and more". There is no mention of jazz, or this being a
> > > jazz festival. NOTHING ABOUT JAZZ AT ALL.
> > >
> > > So, this poor bastard festival producer gets all these nasty letters
> > > from people reacting to a hearsay note that a "Jazz Festival" is
> > > occurring in Aspen and it has no jazz. People who obviously did not
> > > the information on the event web site.
> > >
> > > Me, I don't blame them for getting just a little pissed. Especially
> > > since during the year they produce more than one jazz event, with some
> > > big time jazz artists in performance.
> > >
> > > We are lucky that Charlie Hooks, Jim Beebe or I are not the Festival
> > > Producers cause then we'd really see some tough love letters back..
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Steve (Trust But Verify) Barbone
> > >
> > > HERE IS THE FESTIVAL DESCRIPTION ON THEIR WEB SITE.
> > >
> > > "Description: The open air Labor Day Weekend music extravaganza
> > > four full days of rock, funk, blues, world, soul, R&B, and more. Set
> > > the shadow of the spectacular "bowed roof stage", four acts perform
> > > daily from noon ? 8:30pm. The dance-oriented event never skips a beat,
> > > and attendees keep moving during intermissions in the 'JAS Village',
> > > international bazaar of exotic food, crafts, drumming circles and
> > > Between main-stage acts the music is continuous with bands at the
> > > Music Club throughout the day. The broad and diverse collection of
> > > (12-60+) and music attract daily audiences of 8000+ from around the
> > > U.S.A. and beyond..."
> > >
> > >
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